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Quote: Do you have reference on this, as I checked MICEX, the Russian exchange said to do this, and could find nothing indicating it is currently operating. If you do a Google search for "Russia China world reserve currency", all manner of articles will show up, including the one at: http://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-N...na-Deal.htmlMany other articles will also come up but I grabbed this one as an example. Both Russia and China are exporting countries and significant world creditors. They are not liking what they see happening to the US dollar or the Euro. Getting paid for their manufacturing or their raw materials in currencies that are shrinking visibly is something that they would prefer to avoid if they can. I don't know how extensive this non-dollar / non-Euro trade is but it is likely significant and should become more so with time. I'm just wondering how long it will be before the oil exporting countries demand payment in commodities instead of currencies. Hmmm... let's see now... yep, 1/16th of an oz. of gold will buy a barrel of oil.  Quote: I suspect they have as many problems as the Euro nations, just the gov. can make what ever rules they wish, and keep quiet on their desertification, droughts, water pollution, lax mining and food regs, etc. Probably so. They are a lot better at keeping their problems from view, though. Quote: So what happens to the value of the euro if Greece or Spain or Italy starts the Euro printing press running for their own QE? IMO. My understanding of the Euro is that no one country can decide to roll the printing presses on its own and that they have to vote on currency increases and decreases. I do not know whether a simple majority decides these issues, though. Perhaps a super-majority of some kind would be needed? Quote: Their only hope is to annex an oil producing area, since they have practically none. Hmmm, maybe Iran. :) Well, I don't know why they wouldn't try that. They gobbled up mineral-rich Tibet and there was hardly a squeak of protest from the other countries of the world. Heh... maybe they will take a bite out of Siberia... the part that has oil.  Just remembered something... there are very large oil deposits in the south China sea. (see Spratly and Paracel Islands) The Chinese are having some difficulties with this because a number of nations in that region are claiming sovereignty in the areas that are most promising for oil drilling. Their only problem is that none of them have the drilling technology to get it... but the USA and the UK do.  Also, China is working with Cuba to tap into Gulf of Mexico areas that could hold significant oil deposits. (see http://www.havana-guide.com/china-cuba-oil.html) A Google search of "China Cuba Oil" should show a number of other articles. China would LOVE to tap this oil and take it from under our noses, if at all possible. Perhaps we would reciprocate with oil drilling in the deepest areas of the south China sea? Gamemanship... deja vu all over again. :-/
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Dream on if you expect silver to drop to $20 or less.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Well I remember buying my first silver so many years ago I forget but that year was a silver bull market and I paid $16.00 per ounce and then silver fell back to $8.00 took 25 years before silver got back to what I paid for it again.
Now the last time I bought silver paid $33.00 per ounce for it hope it gets back to $30 maybe I will buy more but have allot I say to myself how much is enough?
Anyway I am 62 years old and do not ever thing the economy will recover in my life time, my kids are 31 and 36 I don't think the economy will ever recover in their life time and my two grandsons are four and I hope it recovers in their life time but not sure even about that.
If you have looked at the big picture of the USA then you can see there is only one way our economy it headed down we have not hit the bottom yet. Just today you see thousands of more people getting lay-ed off. We have never recovered from the 2008 crisis just slowed it a little the only fix I could see back then and now is for a total collapse of our economy so it can get back to reality. I hope this does not happen but almost see no hope anymore of anything to stop it.
So my feeling is we will see silver go to $100 by the end of 2012 and then it may go up more, now I am by far any economist just saying what I see. Just my 2 cents.
I sure hope I am wrong but have been preparing also in away that no matter what happens my preparations will not go to waist.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
4008 Posts |
Bruce - you and I are contemporaries. I will be age 62 in about 3 weeks!  I agree with your comments, probably in large part because we have both lived through the same history. Silver and gold can be looked at in many ways. For me, they are part insurance against financial disaster, part collectibles, part inflation fighter, and part a store of value. Having already seen the dollar shrink in buying power from $1 to about $0.03 within my lifetime, I am VERY unimpressed with the people running this country and have been for about 30 years now. I do not see how these incompetent thieves can get us out of the mess that they have created. Because of this, I am taking action to do my own saving. If I can use PMs to protect my family from the worst that comes along, then it will have been worth the time, money, and effort dedicated to it. If by some miracle we manage to avoid financial disaster, then my PMs will still have value in fighting inflation and preserving the wealth that I have accumulated. In order to understand our current situation, one must eliminate the lies that we are told on a daily basis. First, we are NOT in a recession. We are in a depression but the government will NOT admit it. A depression is a deep recession with persistently high unemployment. Sounding familiar? Additionally, we do NOT have 9.2% unemployment. A very detailed analysis of US employment is available on https://www.shadowstats.com and it clearly shows that US unemployment is in the area of 16-18%... and that it is trending higher, not lower. Finally, we are told that the US currently has 3.2% inflation. This is yet another bald-faced lie. REAL inflation in the US is now at 9-10% when REAL numbers are used instead of the cooked books used by Bernanke and the federal government. That the talking heads on TV parrot the government figures over and over is a complete disgrace to their profession. Apparently, they subscribe to the Big Lie Theory, which repeats a lie so often that it becomes accepted as truth. Once we have determined what the truth of our situation is, we can take sensible action to improve it. For me, that means collecting physical PMs and using a good fraction of the paper investments I have to do it. I am not rooting for a financial collapse of the Euro or the dollar. That would be a terrible situation that would do great harm to many of our fellow citizens. I will not allow such a collapse to harm my family, though. I will do this by being prepared in case it occurs. If it doesn't happen, that will be GREAT! But if it does, being prepared will be MUCH better than not being prepared. I don't know that silver will go to $100 by the end of next year. It is a pretty safe bet that silver and gold will trend higher as the world's primary currencies (US dollar, Euro, and Yen) trend lower over time. At the very least, having PMs means that a good part of a person's wealth can be protected from the ravages of inflation. Speaking of inflation, we have only seen the leading edge of that storm. Much more will soon follow. It is not possible to create trillions of fiat dollars out of thin air, "inject" them into the economy, and not expect severe repercussions from that action. Econ 101 tells us that the more common something is, the less value it has. Does this somehow not apply to currency? Hardly. It applies to EVERYTHING, including currencies. We cannot double or triple the amount of money in the economy without it producing inflation. The economists tell us that the definition of inflation is increasing amounts of money chasing the same or fewer amounts of goods and services. A trip to the local gas station, grocery store, pharmacy, and many other places will clearly demonstrate the power of inflation... Uncle Ben's comments notwithstanding.
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United States
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Well said Ed,  I hope I can get my wife to read your post. She's only been invested in SLV for about 3 weeks, has made close to $2000 in it and is ready to sell it lol.
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United States
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Ed_B and BruceC,I,too,am about to reach 60 years of life and find myself in the same boat as you fellas! It is difficult to watch the demise of a great country and great economy. My father,who would have been 88 a month ago if he was still with us,worked for the same company for55 years. He made a good,living wage and my mother stayed home and raised us 4 boys. We had 1 car,i television(and that was not until about 1958 if I remember correctly)a home where each of us shared a room with a brother,1 bathroom that we all shared and,most importantly,a great life growing up. We had our problem s but this sprint for "stuff" as individuals and as a nation has killed us. We don't need a lot of what we have and then we become slaves to maintaining it. Sorry for the rant,but I think when we lost sight of companies providing jobs for people,and workers appreciating the jobs they had is when we started to falter. Companies leave to find cheaper labor.Workers want more and to do less. And,here we are,too far down the road to fix it easily. I'm glad I have what I have,especially PMs!
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Quote: Well said Ed, I hope I can get my wife to read your post. She's only been invested in SLV for about 3 weeks, has made close to $2000 in it and is ready to sell it lol. Thanks, Thunder. I appreciate the appreciation!  As to SLV... please protect yourself on the downside by putting in a trailing stop about $3 below the current price of silver. I don't own any SLV and assume that it tracks the silver price. If not, then adjust this advice accordingly. If you haven't used a trailing stop, they can work very well if you set the stop price outside of the average volatility of the item on which the stop is set. At best, SLV will advance and the trailing stop will follow it up. If the price declines, then the trailing stop will be activated, selling SLV and locking in the bulk of the profit. Trailing stops can work very well but they are not perfect. They do offer some very good down side protection, though. Quote: Ed_B and BruceC,I,too,am about to reach 60 years of life and find myself in the same boat as you fellas! Sweet! Maybe we should ask the mods here to start up an "Old Guy" forum where we can pontificate and dispense wisdom and knowledge to the whippersnappers?  My wife already refers to me as "Old Poop" from time to time. Lovingly, of course.  I remember listening to The Lone Ranger radio show in 1955. We didn't get a TV until 1958. It was a thing about the size of a small refrigerator that had a round picture tube that was covered at the top and bottom of the bezel. That made it look sort of rectangular. Black and while only, of course, and a single 4" speaker. Had to use rabbit ears in town or an antenna on a mast out in the country in order to receive anything. There were usually 2-3 channels in most towns back in the late 1950s. I suppose that the big cities had more than that but we lived in small to medium sized towns. At mid-night, the stations would sign off with the national anthem playing and a large US flag waving. After that there would be a very obnoxious BEEEEEEEP sound and then a test pattern. Ah, the good old days.  Quote: Sorry for the rant,but I think when we lost sight of companies providing jobs for people,and workers appreciating the jobs they had is when we started to falter. I agree. I am continually amazed at the number of people there are who want a job but who do not want work. Lots of folks today hate business but love "jobs". Just where do they think "jobs" come from? Yes, one can work for the government but that does not add anything to the economy because government does not produce wealth. Only business creates wealth and most of the jobs. Our problem today is that business has been licensed, taxed, and regulated to death. It is now comatose and largely due to the above. Regulators never ever wonder if there are too many regs. They just continue to create more and more of them. Well, congrats to them. They have finally succeeded in killing the goose that laid the golden eggs. How's that working out for everybody? 
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Quote: Sweet! Maybe we should ask the mods here to start up an "Old Guy" forum where we can pontificate and dispense wisdom and knowledge to the whippersnappers? I feel like I'm 60, does that count? Yeah I used to use stops all the time, but since the flash crash I haven't used one. 
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United States
4008 Posts |
Quote: I feel like I'm 60, does that count? Nope, sorry. Got to have the mileage as well as the wear and tear.  Quote: Yeah I used to use stops all the time, but since the flash crash I haven't used one. That was a pretty isolated event. I would not let that dissuade me from using a very handy tool that works well in the vast number of cases. Failing that, you can always stay glued to a web site that shows the SLV price so you can sell manually, if need be.
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United States
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Quote: That was a pretty isolated event. I would not let that dissuade me from using a very handy tool that works well in the vast number of cases. Failing that, you can always stay glued to a web site that shows the SLV price so you can sell manually, if need be. Yeah, you're probably right. I do stay pretty glued to the live data during market hours, but that doesn't help any with over-night moves. Of course neither do stops either. I have placed a lot of buy orders well below the market hoping for another flash crash. 
Edited by GoThunder 07/21/2011 10:10 pm
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A few months later it turns out the near future of silver has been dangerously bearish, with the worst one-day drop today since 1984. Unbelievable.
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United States
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Quote: Silver has done some wild things. It is easy to forget it hit the $20-an-ounce level in the early 1980s and dropped to $5 an ounce in the late-1990s! And it is easy to forget that in early 2008 silver was $21 per ounce and in October it was under $9 per ounce. That is over a 50% drop in LESS THAN SIX MONTHS. Quote: I will bend over backwards and kiss all your digital backsides, if silver ever hits 20 an oz again....
And if it does, man I am gonna buy all I can....
Inflation, supply, and industry will keep it going up, even if the economy recovers I'm amateur O..... I doubt that it will get back to $20 again. However, I do expect it to try. And, I expect you to be sweating blood over the thought of you possibly kissing the backsides.
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United States
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Whippersnapper here trying to get his hands on some Silver during this drop. Any suggestions! I could use some Old Poop advice! :)
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Pillar of the Community
United States
3670 Posts |
MMerilinn, I went back through and had a read of this thread and spotted that crazy statement and had to laugh, lol....
Yes, I will be sweating this week out, and even if it does not, I think we all can see it most definitely can run to low 20's in a blink of an eye, if a combination of bad world wide economic events all hit at the same time perhaps....
Lucky 7, find some trusted American silver eagles, and try as get as many as you can, as close to spot as possible while we are down here around 30 per oz.. That or a nice mix of some 90% silver if you wanna find even a bit cheaper deals....
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Quote: And, I expect you to be sweating blood over the thought of you possibly kissing the backsides. I would think so! They will be lined up for that smooch from Pompano Beach to Pismo Beach and from Corpus Christi to Nome. Quote: Whippersnapper here trying to get his hands on some Silver during this drop. Any suggestions! I could use some Old Poop advice! :) OK, no problem.  Best advice I can give you is to develop a good solid relationship with a local coin or pawn shop that sells gold and silver bullion coins and bars. If you are more isolated than that and have no local guys, go for the on-line retailers. I have bought from SilverTowne, Provident Metals, and APMEX, all with good results. 2nd best advice is to buy in relatively small amounts on a regular basis. If you are a long-term PM holder this kind of dollar cost averaging into your position should work quite well. If you like a dash of "Banzai!" in your PM collecting, you can always save your money for a "buying opportunity", which is usually a 10-15% price pull-back in the PM markets and then buy a larger amount than you normally would. While I try to buy a few ounces of silver monthly, I also buy in larger amounts when the prices pull back. I just bought 200 ozs. in this most recent pull-back and will buy more if the price continues to dip. If it starts going back up, then I will go back to the few ozs. here and there buying pattern.
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