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Walking Liberty Mint Error?

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 Posted 11/21/2006  3:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coppercoins to your friends list
I think something is being missed here...the design elements I see to the right of the rear foot of Liberty look to me to be normal in relief and appear to be of the lower obverse, not the reverse.

From my humble standpoint I believe those saying 'clash' are off-base. Looks more like a double struck in collar with rotation between strikes. Fred Weinberg would probably be one of the better people to query about a coin like this one.

Oh...and the coin grades VF at best. No chance it's EF with that wear.
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 Posted 11/21/2006  4:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add texasmick to your friends list
Welcome to the forum, atlas.

quote:

... the value of this EF/AU coin?


Perhaps you meant to say VG/F.

Not trying to be mean, but I strongly disagree with my more generous compatriots. No way this coin is a VF.

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 Posted 11/21/2006  5:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bryan1315 to your friends list
if you look I said "F/VF at Best" not that it was in between those grades
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 Posted 11/21/2006  5:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add texasmick to your friends list
Don't take it personally, Bryan, I wasn't taking a shot at your grading ability. Copper coins also said "VF at best". I recon' you two were trying to let a greenhorn off easy-like.

People have always been straight with me on the grading forums, and although it stings a little at first, I am grateful eventually . I came bearing cold water because I didn't want our new friend to go off thinking this was actually a VF35 coin and buy more of the same for VF+ money. Wouldn't be prudent.

In the opinion of someone who has no specialized knowledge, but has purchased 140 circulated Walkers in the past 7 months, that is a VG/F coin (reverse a bit better, perhaps). Also known as an " ebay VF".
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 Posted 11/21/2006  5:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add texasmick to your friends list
quote:
Originally posted by Metalman

I see no other affected areas on the coin which would indicate a clashed die error.


Rick,

Look on the reverse between the beak and wing tip. Is that something?
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 Posted 11/21/2006  6:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add atlashealth to your friends list
quote:
Originally posted by texasmick

quote:
Originally posted by Metalman

I see no other affected areas on the coin which would indicate a clashed die error.


Rick,

Look on the reverse between the beak and wing tip. Is that something?


Rick,
I checked the reverse and there is something between the beak and wingtip--it's not from the 2X2-- Atlashealth. It appears to be a thin raised strip of silver similar but thinner to the one on the obverse!Thanks
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 Posted 11/21/2006  8:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add atlashealth to your friends list
quote:
Originally posted by texasmick

Welcome to the forum, atlas.

quote:

... the value of this EF/AU coin?


Perhaps you meant to say VG/F.

Not trying to be mean, but I strongly disagree with my more generous compatriots. No way this coin is a VF.






Hey Tex...that's FINE with me! Atlashealth
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 Posted 11/21/2006  8:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add atlashealth to your friends list
quote:
Originally posted by coppercoins

I think something is being missed here...the design elements I see to the right of the rear foot of Liberty look to me to be normal in relief and appear to be of the lower obverse, not the reverse.

From my humble standpoint I believe those saying 'clash' are off-base. Looks more like a double struck in collar with rotation between strikes. Fred Weinberg would probably be one of the better people to query about a coin like this one.

Oh...and the coin grades VF at best. No chance it's EF with that wear.



Roger that C.D. Who is Fred Weinberg..will he see this forum? AH
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 Posted 11/21/2006  10:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coppercoins to your friends list
atlashealth - fred@fredweinberg.com

As for my stating VF at best - I look at maybe three whole Walking Liberty half dollars a year. I know from the detail missing that the EF/AU estimates were way off base. I was safe in assuming VF "at best" meaning it was probably even below that grade. Too lazy to get out the grading guide and read it for someone else's coin, I guess I should have kept my trap shut. I can grade Lincoln cents VERY well, and that's about it.
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 Posted 11/22/2006  12:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Metalman to your friends list
after looking at the pics for the last couple of days,, I'm sure that this is not a clashed Die,, coppercoins has given good advice, and a very likely opinion on what is up with this coin,, the detail on the obverse appears to be part of the drapery detail which would indicate a rotated double struck.

Fred Weinburg is a good choice for this coin, coneca may also be able to help.

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 Posted 11/22/2006  8:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add atlashealth to your friends list
quote:
Originally posted by Metalman

after looking at the pics for the last couple of days,, I'm sure that this is not a clashed Die,, coppercoins has given good advice, and a very likely opinion on what is up with this coin,, the detail on the obverse appears to be part of the drapery detail which would indicate a rotated double struck.

Fred Weinburg is a good choice for this coin, coneca may also be able to help.

Rick



Thanks Metalman... I called FredWeinberg and asked him to look at the 1935 Walker posted on this forum...will wait and see what he thinks. Atlashealth (This is a fun and educational forum..thanks!)
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 Posted 11/25/2006  4:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add atlashealth to your friends list
Fred Weinberg got back to me and said based on the scans of the coin I sent to the forum, that he felt it was a die clash and not double struck...that it was probably worth between 35 and 75 $$ if I put it on ebay.
Thanks for all your support on this topic and unless anyone has any further discussion on this coin, I'm happy to close out this forum topic. Atlashealth
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 Posted 11/25/2006  6:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list
I went over this coin to the extent of my ability and available software. I created a transparency of the reverse, and slowly rotated it over the obverse, and could come up with no alignment which would create that mark. I then duplicated the obverse, made the duplicate transparent, and did the same thing with the same result.

I found nothing which would cause the additional details, either the main ones behind the foot, or the lesser ones in front of the foot, while the two coins remained in any kind of alignment. In addition to the extra stuff around the foot, there's what seems to be a spike extending upward from the eagle's beak, which may be of help diagnosing whatever this is.

If it were me (but, remember, I'm a compulsive researcher), I wouldn't sell the coin until I knew exactly what it was.
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 Posted 11/25/2006  8:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Metalman to your friends list
Interesting !! Atlas ,, I guess Fred would know but I'm still like Dave and could not line up any design elements to make the marks .

If your inclined to do so, you may consider submitting the coin for authentification and grading to Anacs ?

Rick
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 Posted 11/25/2006  11:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add atlashealth to your friends list
quote:
Originally posted by Metalman

Interesting !! Atlas ,, I guess Fred would know but I'm still like Dave and could not line up any design elements to make the marks .

If your inclined to do so, you may consider submitting the coin for authentification and grading to Anacs ?

Rick



Thanks, guys..maybe I will submit this coin..it's all very exciting and I've learned alot from you all in this my first error forum!!!
Check out my latest forum entry(1942 double die?)Atlashealth
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