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 Posted 07/25/2011  10:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GoThunder to your friends list
Either way there will be some poop.
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 Posted 07/25/2011  8:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ed_B to your friends list
Right, Thunder... which is not a problem IF you have a garden!
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 Posted 07/25/2011  8:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add junior e to your friends list
Last time interest rates were this low the fed started raising interest rates by 1/4% every fed meeting. The stock market went down every time interest was raised. The only claim Bernanke can make about any success throughout this debacle is the stock market. If the market starts to drop again erasing any retirement money that shareholders have regained will go right down the toilet and his last card will have been played. Aside from the stock market, every measurable gauge of recovery in this economy is negative to terrible. It's a good thing that gold is not considered a threat to the fed. Those of us putting false hopes in the "tradition" of gold as a hedge may sneak by unnoticed and succeed where all other strategies wallow in the mire. I'll take my chances with deflation for awhile anyhow. It won't appear overnight and precious metals will remain easy to liquidate until very near the weary end.
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07/25/2011 8:31 pm
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 Posted 07/25/2011  11:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add desertgem to your friends list

It is interesting to look at the USD and the EURO right after Obama's speech, The USD has dropped severely and the Euro has risen strongly. Silver and Gold just setting there, so currently it appears the world markets are playing out the 2 crises with a battle of currency, and not giving PM, much consideration over the last 2 hrs after the speech. IMO.
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 Posted 07/26/2011  04:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list

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It won't appear overnight and precious metals will remain easy to liquidate until very near the weary end.

Could PM crash and burn with everything else in deflationary times? Yup. Even if they do, however, remember that they are a store of value, not necessarily a profit maker. If a silver quarter continues to buy at least a gallon of gas, it's done its job.
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 Posted 07/26/2011  12:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GoThunder to your friends list
Ok, more mystery charts. One I own, the other I wish I owned it. Both are ETFs, one is based on a currency, the other on a commodity.

A-Different-Look-At-Pms

A-Different-Look-At-Pms

The first one is a weekly chart going back about one year of gold (GLD), the 2nd is a weekly chart going back about one year of the Swiss Franc (FXF).
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 Posted 07/26/2011  5:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ed_B to your friends list

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It is interesting to look at the USD and the EURO right after Obama's speech, The USD has dropped severely... DesertGem

Indeed it is. I've seen the very same effect caused by Bernanke speaking. Almost makes one think that silence really is golden.
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 Posted 07/27/2011  6:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GoThunder to your friends list

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Currently, I am about 98% in cash


Ed, one guest on CNBC "Fast Money" has you beat, Richard Bove just said he's 100% in cash right now. I'll try to post a link when they put one up. It was an interesting interview. http://ori.cnbc.com/id/43917324
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07/27/2011 6:07 pm
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 Posted 07/27/2011  6:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ed_B to your friends list
I'm not at all surprised, Thunder. There is a HUGE amount of money on the investing sidelines now. I am not alone in this. I can deal with a flaky market but combining that with flaky politics makes for an untenable investment situation.

Yes, I have seen Dick Bove on CNBC many times. I agree with this comments and positions more than 90% of the time. This appears to be yet another one of those times.
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 Posted 07/27/2011  7:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list

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Almost makes one think that silence really is golden.


More accurately, it is better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
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 Posted 07/27/2011  8:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GoThunder to your friends list
The link I posted now has the video.
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 Posted 08/08/2011  3:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GoThunder to your friends list
I'm a little more worried about deflation with this drop in the price of oil, less than $81/bbl as I type. Not selling PMs though, as Ed mentioned earlier the last time we had deflation, gold and silver were backing the US dollar.
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 Posted 08/10/2011  1:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GoThunder to your friends list
I wonder IF there was a period of serious deflation if gold wouldn't hold its own? I mean in times of deflation cash is king but in today's world of currency backed by nothing would not gold be right in there with most any of currency, maybe even king of them all?
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 Posted 08/11/2011  08:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nod2003 to your friends list
As gold is a commodity, it would deflate along with everything else I suspect.
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 Posted 08/11/2011  09:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GoThunder to your friends list
So are you saying gold isn't money?

I've watched that video from the original post twice now and it dawned on me the 2nd time through that this guys theory is based on US demographics but he is trying to extrapolate that to global currencies. I would have liked to see some numbers on the global population cycles if he wants to apply it to forecasting global currencies. I can see how he would have success applying the life cycle of the baby boomers to US economics but we are not the world's biggest buyers of gold (for example) that honor goes to India. I really think that is the weak part of his theory, but he will probably sell lots of news letters anyway.
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08/11/2011 09:20 am
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