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Excellent link SuperDave... what a help. I wish I didn't get rid of my 18-55 so I could experiment and help out a little bit!
This makes me want to take some coin photos!
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RMPS - I don't know what a focus sweep is. I am shooting in full manual. I feel like I'm getting the most focus possible through the view finder. I spend time on every shot to make sure that the coin is at full focus.
And if I scale back to 50% it's definitely sharper. But the problem is the coin is smaller to the viewer. So for example, if I made these coins 400x400 they're a lot sharper.
I will also say that these two pictures are within my acceptable range for selling a nickel.
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Quote: I will also say that these two pictures are within my acceptable range for selling a nickel. We'll start there. You are absolutely correct, and your imaging is better than 98% of what anyone else is doing with any lens. Browse ebay if you don't believe me.  What rmpsrpms is referring to is a series of shots. Autofocus the first shot, shoot it, and then manually change the focus just_very_slightly in one direction for a second shot. A little more for a third shot. Then, go the other direction for a few more shots. We're talking tiny moves - only a couple degrees on the focus wheel. The idea is to see if your autofocus is not quite hitting it - maybe focusing on the highest part of the coin rather than some center "average." If you're using Live View, tethered to a monitor, you should be manually focusing anyways, because you can see that focus in real time.
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I haven't been shooting these tethered. I've been putting the camera on a 2 second delay and shooting on my own. Unfortunately where I'm shooting I don't have room for my Laptop.
I could give it a go on the autofocus ordeal and see how that turns out.
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Yeah, I wouldn't want to make you try to manually focus using the viewfinder. That'd be cruel.  Not all copies of a lens are identical - there are "good" and "less good" copies of any given lens. Autofocus isn't perfect, either. There's always the possibility that a little more clarity might be obtained by a *slight* focus shift from what autofocus gives you. By "slight," I mean movement probably less than 1/8" of your finger holding the focus grip - a little experimentation and you'll know how much makes a difference in focus without being too much.
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By focus sweep, I mean adjust the focus to where you think it's definitely out of focus on the "high" side and snap a pic, then just a little out of focus "high", then just right, then a little out of focus "low", then definitely out of focus "low", snapping pics at each focal adjustment. Focus for macro is so very critical that even a slight shift in the focal plan adjustment between your reflex mirror and your sensor will make a big difference. You may think you are perfectly in focus, but may not actually be.
I don't recommend going to auto focus. I have not found a camera yet that can give an acceptable autofocus in macro mode. I always have to adjust the focus manually to get best results, and it's almost never the focus that the viewfinder says is correct. My Nikons are always a bit off looking through the viewfinder, and even more off with autofocus. The only way I get acceptable focus in one shot is to use Live View tethered to a PC, and then zoom in to 100% and fine focus until it looks perfect, then snap the pic tethered.
Remember, when you look through the viewfinder, you are not seeing what the sensor will see, but a reflection of it through the mirror, which may not be at exactly the same plane as the sensor. When in Live View, you are seeing the actual image that is hitting the sensor, so you can trust critical focusing.
Does your Canon have a Live View mode? I shoot Nikons so don't know much about Canon features. Judging by my Nikon, the various modes induce different amounts of blurriness in the following order:
worst: pushing shutter button with finger after framing and focusing in viewfinder better: using a timer or PC tether after framing and focusing in viewfinder best: using a timer/tether in Live View
Your Canon likely has one more option that my Nikon does not have: Quiet mode. Actually, my Nikon has a Quiet Mode but it only makes the mirror move more slowly so it is quieter. Your Canon has a special shutter mode that only Canons have that is enabled in the Quiet mode.
By the way, I am being highly critical because "you asked for it". In reality your pics do look good, and your lighting and color are quite good. But I always say that getting good focus is the number one job, with lighting and other compositional topics coming second in priority. So keep working on getting the focus nailed!
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Pillar of the Community
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RMPS you're not going to hurt my feelings so don't worry about that :). Live view would just be the display on the back of the camera correct? Because I was opting to not use that and actually look through the view finder every time.
Heres something else that might sound stupid and could be the problem I'm having. You mention Macro Mode. I've been shooting in a fully manual mode so I doubt that it's actually in Macro. How would I check that in the settings? I think Dave might be better able to help me with this one because he is currently shooting canons.
Also - how do I go into quiet mode? If no one knows I'll be looking it up when I get home from work/vet today. And unfortunately where I'm shooting currently I cant hook up a tether. I'll have to work on creating a space where I can tether.
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With all due respect, rmpsrpms, perhaps you're shooting the wrong brand.  If you go through every single image in my CCF Gallery (and I have the largest Gallery of any member) you won't see 10 images that were shot with manual focus. Not even a slab causes the Digital Rebel/100mm Macro combination to miss an autofocus. The only times I've ever played with manual focus were essentially to confirm the autofocus capability of the lens. With AF Mode set to One Shot and focus point forced to Center, it just plain gets it right every time. This may, of course, be assisted by my habit of throwing huge piles of light at the coin. Lukkyseven, rmpsrpms' use of the term "macro mode" is not a physical camera setting but a description of the field on which you're playing, so to speak. You're in "macro mode" because you're using your equipment in that fashion. The "Quiet Mode" referred to here is actually intended to make the camera audibly quieter to use, for situations when you really don't want to have that snapping sound. Many cameras have it as a menu choice. The Digital Rebel series use this mode by default, always - it doesn't turn "on" or "off." Here's how it works (your eyes may glaze over here): Visualize a physical aperture inside a camera. A bunch of curved blades, forming a circular opening of a diameter determined by your Aperture setting. In the old days, this was the shutter, as well - when you actuate it, the blades snap open to that aperture diameter for a moment (your Exposure setting) and then close. These days, they do it with curtains in front of and behind the physical aperture blades. The First Shutter Curtain (in front) and the Second Shutter Curtain (behind). These move horizontally in front of the sensor, starting on the same side and in the same direction. When you start the exposure, the first curtain snaps open, then the second curtain closes to finish the exposure. For really fast exposures, both curtains move at the same time, the second trailing the first slightly. What that creates is a vertical slit of light moving across the sensor; the sensor is never completely exposed at any moment during the shot. Now, a neat thing you can do with a digital sensor that you never could with a film sensor: You can tell the digital sensor when to start capturing information. Quiet Mode eliminates the first shutter curtain by telling the sensor when/how to start capturing data, and then the second shutter curtain, synchronized with the camera's computer, finishes the exposure. You can electronically mimic the "rolling vertical slit" operation of a fast shutter speed this way, eliminate the first shutter curtain's noise, and as a neat benefit it also eliminates the minute mechanical vibrations that the first shutter curtain passes on to the mirror. The vibrations caused by the second shutter curtain are less important. That, in combination with Mirror Lockup - which you, lukkyseven, are getting automatically with the 2-sec timer, but you can also force it manually - leads to as vibration-free a photographic experience as can be had with a dSLR. And that's one of the reasons I shoot Canon. 
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 deh uh... I can take da pixure 
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I'm thinking of renting a Canon to see if I can improve the clarity of my shots. Every so often I see a picture on the web that just blows me away with its clarity, and invariably these shots were taken with a Canon. I don't know if it's the EFCS or some other technique the shooter is using but with all the work I do to get clear pictures, to see an image that's so easy to look at is disheartening...
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Wait. You are going to try to improve the clarity of your shots? You're already a goal I haven't yet achieved. Don't move the goalposts further back.  Part of it may be Canon's acknowledged "punchy" jpeg engine, as it translates through a monitor, so keep that in mind. That punchiness might also subtly "train" the Canon shooter even when they convert to RAW processing. The end result may not necessarily be "reality."
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Here's an example of what I'm talking about. This image is just so easy to look at. The lighting is not optimum, but the shooter is not a coin photography specialist. I'd love to hear comments as to how others see this photo. Is it just the Canon jpg engine making it look good? Does it even look that good to you all? It is even through a slab! 
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That is an unbelievably cool coin. All sorts of stuff going on with it.  The only nitpicking I could offer is that it's not quite as contrasty as I'd like.
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Careful what you make of it...it's easy to let shadows create an optical illusion. The coin appears to have some mouse bites out of it, and that it is a raw coin projecting a shadow on the lower edge. But look at it closer...it's in a slab, and a poorly-finished one at that. The white plastic of the slab is obscuring part of the coin. The shadow is on the concave surface of the slab, not below the coin.
This was lifted from a Canon macro forum. Nice coin, nice photo, but not mine. Do I have to buy a Canon to get the clarity I see in this photo?
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Quote: This was lifted from a Canon macro forum. Nice coin, nice photo, but not mine. Do I have to buy a Canon to get the clarity I see in this photo? I believe this image falls well short of the quality you're currently demonstrating with the equipment you have. There's no EXIF data for it, so I can't infer anything about what the photographer did to get this result. Do you know what lens he used? Point your own stuff at a similar Cent, and see what you get. Your "usual" demonstrator Cent is a much stronger strike than they're getting in the age of zlincolns.
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