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Rant - Tired Of Canceled Ebay Auctions

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 Posted 07/28/2011  01:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mmorgan22 to your friends list

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But just canceling because, oh, I didnt get what I wanted for it. No good.


They should just start the auction at what they want or set a reserve. There has been a couple of times I thought a coin was going to sell for more and I took a hit on it. Oh well, that's the cost of doing business. I have learned since.
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 Posted 07/28/2011  04:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Susanlynn9 to your friends list
I have cancelled auctions when there were no bids going into the last 12 hours, but I never would cancel an auction with a bid unless there was a problem with the auction. On the few occasions I have had to do this, I have sent messages to the bidders through ebay to explain why I was cancelling and letting them know when the auction would be relisted. I have had a few coins sell for significantly less than I had hoped, but it's just wrong to cancel a listing for that reason.
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 Posted 07/28/2011  04:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add aboarman to your friends list
Are you certain that it is the seller who canceled the auctions? I've just been through the Inquisition at ebay, which I am told is happening a lot these days for coin sellers. I had about 15 active auctions going, half of which were set to close within hours, when I received an email from ebay stating that all of my listings had been canceled, and that I would receive a separate email with instructions on what I needed to do to have my seller account reinstated. No reason was ever given for their actions, and I am a power seller in good standing since 1999. The email with instructions arrived 9 days later, instructing me to fax personal financial documents, photo ID, and receipts from everything I've sold in the last 6 months. I had been told to expect this from a colleague who also was a victim of the Inquisition, so I had the fax sent within the hour. Four days later, they reinstated my account.
As you can imagine, some bidders were pretty angry with me, even though none of it was my wish. I lost momentum, customers, and 2 weeks of revenue. Oh, and now I am limited in the number of items and dollars I can sell each month.
Here's the best part - tomorrow a specialist will be calling me to discuss growing my business as part of the "Seller Outreach Program" they have launched. Frankly, I would have preferred they keep their hands to themselves and let me run my business as I see fit.
Thanks, guys, for letting me vent!
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 Posted 07/28/2011  06:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Maineman750 to your friends list
The auctions also may have been reported, then canceled by ebay. I don't know of a way to tell so you'll just have to let it go.
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 Posted 07/28/2011  08:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oih82w8 to your friends list
Something similar happened to me...once. Someone reported that the raw coin that I listed was a fake, and to the best of my knowledge it was not. So, "they" cancelled it and gave a slew of recommendations to help avoid such accusations; clearer images, better descriptions, TPG, etc... You can't please everybody.

And I have ended an auction or seven for having no activity within the last 12 hours (or such), to reevaluate my description, and make other adjustments to the auction as a whole.
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 Posted 07/28/2011  09:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BuffalosRock to your friends list
As a buyer-only so far, I am not sure why it is any more ethical to cancel with 12 hours remaining and no bids than it is to cancel before that! Either way you are cancelling because of a worry that you won't get what you want for the coin. But that is the risk you take by not setting a high enough start or reserve. IMO, it is unethical to pull auctions like that.

If I withdraw a bid I have to give a valid reason, I think there are very few legit reasons to pull an auction yourself. Now if ebay pulls it for you - that is not necessarily your fault. They should inform every bidder, to date, that it was their decision and responsibility and not yours though!

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 Posted 07/28/2011  10:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JackB to your friends list
aboarman...

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specialist will be calling me to discuss growing my business as part of the "Seller Outreach Program"

Would they be doing this to increase their profit from you? I've only been a buyer from ebay over the years, so I'm not familiar with the costs associated with selling, but from reading many threads here, it seems there is quite a burden on sellers. Would being in this Seller Outreach Program be good or bad for you? Better for ebay?
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 Posted 07/28/2011  5:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add aboarman to your friends list
JackB...

Good question. I'm curious to see what this program is all about. I've read a few articles suggesting that ebay's "grand scheme" is to pare down the number of sellers to just a few thousand very high volume "mega dealers" who are basically just like any other retailer or national chain. I'm not sure whether I agree with it, but the way that they have been treating sellers since the new guy took over from Whitman makes me wonder.
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 Posted 08/02/2011  11:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add weerdsteev to your friends list
Just as material for contemplation... I've recently ended 4 auctions early. The reason was because I lost track of time. "What?!" you say? It's like this: I use the exact same listing for each and every coin I sell. I just go in and adjust the date, the mint, the condition, add a new photo etc. The listing I might run today looks like a carbon copy of the listing I was running 4 years ago. When I'm not listing anything (like the last 3 months), I use ebay's "scheduler" to put an old listing out there 3 weeks into the future so that I can perpetuate it and not have to compose a new listing when I'm ready to resume selling. The trouble with that is if you lose track of time and don't keep moving it further out as that 3 week window expires your listing goes live! I'm really scatterbrained this summer and have had to tell 4 people "Sorry! I really don't have that coin and didn't mean for it to go live!"
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 Posted 08/02/2011  12:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Namachieli to your friends list

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"Sorry! I really don't have that coin and didn't mean for it to go live!"


See, IMO, there is nothing wrong with that. You can't very well sell something you dont have (unless you work for HSBC, JP Morgan, etc).

Its when it gets down to that last hour and an Item is looking like it will go less than its worth, and the seller pulls the plug, thats where I take issue.

Nothing wrong with honest mistakes though.
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 Posted 08/02/2011  7:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BuffalosRock to your friends list
That's a legit excuse for having to cancel - tho a bit of poor execution/business model. IMO, I'd bet those are the very rare exceptions that do this.

Most of these are likely due to poor guessing on interest level - which is not an ethical reason for cancelling. I've never had one I was interested in cancel. But it would not be pleasing! ;)
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 Posted 08/02/2011  8:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add delaner to your friends list
Well, what the cancelling seller is missing is that a good percentage of the time, the auction will get sniped anyway. That's what EVERYONE is doing these days, it seems like. So if they cancel because they're afraid they won't get they want, it's likely that they would have had the auction completed.

ianmprice - it sucks for auctions to get cancelled, but it's only as frustrating as losing a coin at the very last second! =)
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 Posted 08/02/2011  9:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add weerdsteev to your friends list


(with both comments!)
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 Posted 08/10/2011  04:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add RMAN4443 to your friends list
I've had a couple items pulled from auctions on me,one a fter I had actually won for an incredibly good price
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 Posted 08/10/2011  1:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BuffalosRock to your friends list
"the auction will get sniped anyway. That's what EVERYONE is doing these days, it seems like."

Maybe I'm off on interpreting what sniped means, but I thought it meant to wait to the last second to be the only bidder and bid the minimum opener only. Thus to keep from getting in a "bidding war" and pay much more than the minimum opener.

I do that because often the minimum is about as high as I want to pay for the coin, and I know if I bid before 3 seconds to go then someone else will notice the coin - only after I open th ebidding that is - and outbid me. If I wait, no one else notices it or wants it - typically!

Thus the cancelling does it's purpose of not allowing someone to win the bid with the minimum price.

I have seen a few coins go where no one bids for the 6 days 23 hours 58 mins and then a flurry of bidding happens at the very end, but that seems to be the exception. When I look at the history on ebay, most coins just expire with no bids. But then most are priced, in BIN or minimum opener, unrealistically way over list/retail as well.
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