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Originally posted by SuperDave
Generally speaking, AU+"Blast white" = cleaning, in almost all cases. That's a given. I thought about it, but didn't mention it.
For the record, it's not difficult to dip a coin without losing the luster. You just have to know when to say when. 
I would go along with that except ANACS had not labled it cleaned on the first submission.They can't be right on both counts.  |
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Originally posted by TLS5933
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Originally posted by SuperDave
Generally speaking, AU+"Blast white" = cleaning, in almost all cases. That's a given. I thought about it, but didn't mention it.
For the record, it's not difficult to dip a coin without losing the luster. You just have to know when to say when.
I would go along with that except ANACS had not labled it cleaned on the first submission.They can't be right on both counts.
Correct. Obviously, they can't tell for sure. Neither can you or I, if it was done right. |
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Dave, I guess my whole point of this was not just the 1894 coin issue but the fact they down graded all the high value Morgans (4 of the 5 I sent in) and kept the 1900 Morgan I sent in at MS64 and the luster on that coin is almost non-existent.It actually looks cleaned.
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The lack of quality of the care applied to Morgan working dies, and the quantity of coins being struck by each die (approximately 150,000 per die for New Orleans issues) led to wide variations in the relative luster of strikes. I would expect lessened luster, especially on a coin which is a weak strike as the result of lessened die pressure, done to extend the working life of the die.
None of this defends ANACS being unable to determine whether the coin was cleaned of not, but it's not as black and white as one might think, especially with Morgans.
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Some early New Year's resolutions I make to myself:  1. Never collect New Orleans Morgans. Too  . 2. Never again try to grade O mint Morgans from an image.  3. SOME cleaned coins are impossible to detect as cleaned. Others can be very deceiving.  See topic https://goccf.com/t/8256 asking James Taylor (formerly of ANACS) on the subject of grading cleaned coins. 4. Never again discuss TPGs with my friend Rick. Too  . I want to stay friends. 5. Stop chasing after Emmie Lou; she's beyond my reach. Oops, wrong forum.    /s and Notarized This Date: 26 November 2006 W. Frederick Stevens ------------------------- |
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New year resolutions are only good on January 1st, they expire at 12 midnight January 2nd
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That coin has a funky look to it, and my first thought was AU and cleaned. The O-mints are notorious for weak strikes, but not that weak. Lightly circulated, and lightly cleaned. Sorry, but from what I can see it looks like anacs got it right the second time.
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Originally posted by hadleydog
That coin has a funky look to it, and my first thought was AU and cleaned. The O-mints are notorious for weak strikes, but not that weak. Lightly circulated, and lightly cleaned. Sorry, but from what I can see it looks like anacs got it right the second time.
Actually,I have seen much weaker struck O's graded MS63-64.The funky look is probably more to my picture taking than the coin itself.  I try to use natural daylight when taking coin pictures and on good days I get exellent results but on overcast,dark days I have to add light and things go bad.  |
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Originally posted by hadleydog
That coin has a funky look to it, and my first thought was AU and cleaned. The O-mints are notorious for weak strikes, but not that weak. Lightly circulated, and lightly cleaned. Sorry, but from what I can see it looks like anacs got it right the second time.
Rick (Metalman) has an O mint Morgan (I'll look for the topic later) that created a big fuss. Because it was such a weak strike, we just could not decide if it was heavily circulated or Mint State. He's been holding it over my head ever since.  |
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The pics of the coin are in my photo gallery !! 1888-O Good luck !!
Rick
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Originally posted by Morgan Fred
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Originally posted by hadleydog
That coin has a funky look to it, and my first thought was AU and cleaned. The O-mints are notorious for weak strikes, but not that weak. Lightly circulated, and lightly cleaned. Sorry, but from what I can see it looks like anacs got it right the second time.
Rick (Metalman) has an O mint Morgan (I'll look for the topic later) that created a big fuss. Because it was such a weak strike, we just could not decide if it was heavily circulated or Mint State. He's been holding it over my head ever since.
I just looked at the 88-0, and that has to be the worst strike I have ever seen on a Morgan. Was it ever graded by a TPG? My guess would have been au-50, but man-o-man you could argue it either way. Cool, cool coin!  The coin in this thread still looks funky, and I don't think it's the images. No spots, no major hits or reeding, blast white and way too 'shiney', lots of teeny tiny undefined scratches all over including the cheek. Plus, it's a much better date. I would love to see that coin under magnification. Great thread, guys! |
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not yet hadleydog
I was going to submit it to anacs before James left ,, now I will wait and see where the dust settles.
Rick
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not yet hadleydog
I was going to submit it to anacs before James left ,, now I will wait and see where the dust settles.
Rick
I would love to be in the grading room when she went through. |
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