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How Much Faith Do You Put In Grades From Slabbed Coins

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 Posted 08/05/2011  7:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Maineman750 to your friends list

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Also, when purchasing a slabbed coin, always do it by the rule: "buy the coin, not the holder"!


Pretty good reason to avoid slabs and learn the hobby
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 Posted 08/06/2011  10:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add googoo to your friends list
if you got rid of believing the grade of the coin you would still have the slab to know what you have isn't a fake. The slabs would thus always have a point. I just think they shouldn't be so concrete for people thats all.
The grades are on the slabs and thats fine and dandy but I guess it gets me when most of the people have no idea what makes there coin the grade it is, and they just take into account what the slab says, which could be right on, or could vary by a slight margin higher or lower. The slabs are great, like I said I only sent one coin, but I did send a coin out to get slabbed. I will never crack it out of the slab even though it would fill a hole in my dansco but I don't really look at there grade. I would've graded the coin AG- G4 and they graded it G6
I like the fact that they graded it in my opinion high so I can sell it to a grade shopper but idk it seems wrong to sell it like that.

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 Posted 08/06/2011  4:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add glenzy1 to your friends list
I pretty well must rely on slabs because ALL the coins I buy are on-line, therefore the trust factor for me is better when a third party is involved.
I also occasionally sell on-line (E-bay)which eliminates takes a lot of the guess work out for potential buyers. There is only one coin shop in my Province and the dealer sells at 80-90% trends.
I can easily buy the same high end pieces at 40-60% trends on E-bay which is why I buy T.P.G. graded material rather than raw. Hard to get the nerve to spend $1,000.00 + on a coin when scans are not always that good. It's currently a buyers market for Numismatic material since everyones attention is focused on bullion.


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 Posted 08/07/2011  01:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadThad to your friends list
For the most part all of the major TPG's do a good job with their grades. Are they always right? NO! All experienced collectors find slabs they disagree with....even the TPG's often disagree with themselves and the others. Nonetheless, this is something we have to live with which is why everyone says "buy the coin".

What TPG's usually miss on is color and toning. Due to the prevalence of altered, AT and recolored coins on the market, they are far too quick to dismiss coins in the interest of saving face. It has come to a point that all coins they slab must meet certain criteria for look or it's bagged with a reason of their choosing. Does that mean your coin is "bad" or has a problem? Definately not! Of course this doesn't apply to obviously altered coins, but they are rejecting far too many natual, unaltered coins these days IMO.
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 Posted 08/08/2011  2:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list

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Pretty good reason to avoid slabs and learn the hobby
I agree with that.

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... you would still have the slab to know what you have isn't a fake
I have to agree with this as well. For me, this the only value of a slab. I might be able to justify paying extra for this bit of knowledge (when applied to a key date), but certainly not for the grade printed on it.
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 Posted 08/08/2011  5:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wei Fun to your friends list
IMO, the top 3 do pretty well on their grading. At least, of the few slabbed coins I've seen in person, I agreed with all the listed grades, +/- 1 grade level for the MS ones (which I'll attribute to my own inability to distinguish grades at that level).

As far as whether to buy slabbed or raw, it comes down to how much it's going to cost you. What you're buying with the slab is a few cents of plastic and the opinion of a 3rd party. That opinion can count for something in 2 cases: first, you're buying from a place like ebay where you don't get to see the coin in hand, and second, when you're trying to sell in a place like ebay.

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 Posted 08/08/2011  6:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add acloco to your friends list
I don't believe any of the grading services are harsh enough on coins with problems. IMHO, most, but not all, toned coins are a problem coin. The toning occurred for a reason. True end roll toning can be absolutely stunning and beautiful.

Spotted, fingerprinted, bag marks, circulation marks...are not MS coins.

Again....my humble opinion.
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 Posted 08/10/2011  1:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add akane17 to your friends list
I sent out my 1807 Capped Bust Half to NGC, it came back as 1807 Draped Bust. Had to go back and forth with them several times before they actually realized they were wrong. I still don't agree with their grade on it and the other 4 coins I sent with it(this isn't a wahhhh I want a higher grade to make my coins more valuable comment).
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 Posted 08/10/2011  5:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list

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Spotted, fingerprinted, bag marks, circulation marks...are not MS coins.

Again....my humble opinion.

So you feel there is only one MS grade...MS-70.
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 Posted 08/11/2011  2:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jmkendall to your friends list
Conder101 that is funny! I wish I could express how funny I found that comment and how much I agreed with your sentiment!
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 Posted 08/11/2011  4:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kopper Ken to your friends list
Learn to grade coins yourself. If a person takes the grade given by a TPG as gospel they will surely be disappointed. There is so much collusion between some TPG and large submitters that a kilo, not a grain of salt is needed to accept what is written within the slab.

Someone wants you to buy his MS-63 coin but you see wear on it. Can that coin really be MS? Are you going to doubt your ability to grade or some slunk in his basement or one in a boiler room operation grading coins all day long.

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 Posted 08/11/2011  7:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add glenzy1 to your friends list
I read a lot of negativity over T.P.G. coins, however, just think for a second that we are all Mortals. Our death can come in a very untimely fashion and most coin collectors do not have any next of kin to leave their collection to. Simple reason is that this Hobby is slowly dying and the next Generations coming up can't afford to partake in The Hobby of Kings! Kids today are more interested in Facebook, texting, X-Box 360, and doing drugs.
Therefore, this is why I stress T.P.G. graded coins are important, so who ever takes possession of your Hobby once you kick the bucket will have an easier time in deciphering what your Collection is worth. You would roll over in your grave if your next of Kin was given a fraction of what your collection was worth by a con-artist dealer.
And we all know there are lots of them around just waiting to prey on the misinformed.
So for a few bucks, it would be worth your while to slab your piece(s) if it has any value, at least this way when you are 6' under You can R.I.P.

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 Posted 08/12/2011  11:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadThad to your friends list
HAHAHAHA....that so true Glenn! Really, those are the main reasons I have certain coins slabbed, especially my key dates. When I kick the bucket I don't want my kids to get ripped-off. Being in slabs at least they will have some idea of the value.
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 Posted 08/12/2011  2:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GTALLEN to your friends list
I see that in a few places that posters have mentioned the "top 3 TPGs". What are the top 3? Because when I buy a slabbed coin (which is seldom)I look for NGC or PCGS. Also, I have seen a lot of slabs from ANACS, but have only purchased one and I cracked it out for a Dansco Walking Liberty book.

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 Posted 08/12/2011  2:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list

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...who ever takes possession of your Hobby once you kick the bucket will have an easier time in deciphering what your Collection is worth.
Call me a jerk, but if whoever inherits my collection is only concerned about what it is worth, then they deserve to get as little as possible for it.
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