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Watching The Dead Cats Bounce

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 Posted 08/11/2011  7:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ed_B to your friends list
A lot of us would agree that the future for both gold and silver looks pretty good, especially over the longer time periods. Like a lot of others on here, I want to build up a stash of both as stores of value and inflation hedges. Because of this, the short-term price swings are not my main concern. Sure, it would be great to be able to maximize the number of ounces obtained for the cash I have available but, as with the stock market, it is very unlikely that I will ever buy at an exact bottom or sell at an exact top. Therefore, I am buying a little here and a little there to build my stash over time. If I don't get every last ounce from this, I can live with that. The important thing is that I build the stash and have it available.
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 Posted 08/12/2011  09:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nod2003 to your friends list
Well yesterday silver closed at 38.64, so does that mean he thinks it will fall to 30.54?
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 Posted 08/12/2011  10:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GoThunder to your friends list
I don't really agree with his support levels for silver, seems to me we have pretty good support in the $34 area (maybe some in the $36 area too). Plus markets have been so volatile that technicals haven't been very reliable lately.

Looking at this chart http://www.silverseek.com/quotes/3monthsilver.php I see 3 bounces in the $33.50-34 area. That last bounce in the $34 area is where I backed up the truck last time.
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08/12/2011 10:10 am
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 Posted 08/12/2011  5:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list

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Well yesterday silver closed at 38.64, so does that mean he thinks it will fall to 30.54?


There's not much to keep it above 30.54.
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 Posted 08/13/2011  8:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ed_B to your friends list

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I don't really agree with his support levels for silver, seems to me we have pretty good support in the $34 area (maybe some in the $36 area too).



During the past few weeks, silver has tested the $34 price level a few times. There seems to be considerable resistance at that level. Could silver fall below that level? Sure. Is that especially likely in the near future? Doesn't seem to be to me.
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 Posted 08/14/2011  2:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mmerlinn to your friends list
I don't see anything that would keep silver above $30 in the next 8 weeks. When I look at a silver chart (http://www.commoditycharts.com/char...CANDLE&a=W), everything to me points to $22 silver soon. Will it happen? No way of knowing now. All one can do is be prepared if I am correct.

Granted there is lots of near term support for silver in the mid-30s. But I don't think it will hold if gold crashes. And I think gold is going to crash - It has been too high for too long without a significant sell off.

I expect gold to crash to at least $1250, but more likely $1000 as that is where the first major support is located. Next year we could and probably will see record high prices for both gold and silver, so I view the coming months as the buying opportunity of the century regardless of whether my pessimistic prognosis is correct or not.
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 Posted 08/14/2011  2:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GoThunder to your friends list
So are you short gold and silver here?
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 Posted 08/14/2011  3:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mkfarm to your friends list
First off my cats don't bounce, they just get flatten by the tractor tires which are really big. It only takes one big player to make a move and Gold and Silver with fall, bounce and who knows what.

If gold and silver drops is that a good thing? I say yes just as good as going up. I don't get too troubled which way it goes or where it is going to stall until I am ready to sell.

Is it going to 22? I can only wish it would but I doubt that will take place this year. Few people actual predict the correct move though they have been trying for as long as I can remember. Oh don't get me wrong you keep predicting then sooner or later you get it right.

I watch the big guys to give me a sense of what is going to happen.


Stocks too will see bigger and better days but it may be awhile before you can call the stock market stable.

Now my question what sources are you using to predict gold will crash along with silver? History is nice but PM's have proved they can ignore history, just look at the ratio.

I would think a $800 dollar fall in a short two months us a big call for anyone. The same for silver dropping by $17 very soon.
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 Posted 08/15/2011  05:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mmerlinn to your friends list

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So are you short gold and silver here?


No way I would short volatile markets like these. Too easy to get burnt big time if I am wrong.

Instead, I just buy as it drops, then sell off bits and pieces as it rises. Over time I just try to keep my net cost at zero, which is the same thing I have been doing in the steel and aluminum markets for decades.


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Now my question what sources are you using to predict gold will crash along with silver? History is nice but PM's have proved they can ignore history, just look at the ratio.

I would think a $800 dollar fall in a short two months us a big call for anyone. The same for silver dropping by $17 very soon.


The only source I am using is over 40 years of experience in various commodity markets, mostly physical. As well as technical and chart analysis for that same period of time.

It is a big call. And I may be wrong. However, based on everything I know and see now, that is exactly what I see.

For whatever it is worth, I called the 2008 crash and low to the exact day and within 1% of the numbers months in advance. It was recorded here on the internet, though I am not sure the evidence still exists. I also called a crash in 1996 to the exact day and amount 6 months before it happened. There never was any evidence proving that call on the internet. And I have made NUMEROUS calls which NEVER PANNED OUT.

Does that mean I am correct here? NO WAY! It just means I am making a call which could, and probably will, splatter mud all over my face.

My current target date for the low is Monday, 24 October 2011. That is tentative at the moment because I have not had confirmation that the top of gold has actually happened, though everything points to it.

And as noted above, I am NOT going short. I will just buy down IF it goes down.
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08/15/2011 05:55 am
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 Posted 08/15/2011  06:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list
Cut out that recent peak and you still have a nice trend line, with the current price of silver right on it!
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 Posted 08/15/2011  07:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GoThunder to your friends list

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No way I would short volatile markets like these. Too easy to get burnt big time if I am wrong.


I agree, I just wondered if you had your money where your mouth was... so to speak. Buying out of the money puts isn't very risky. I now have sept puts in GLD and SLV. But I also bought a few sept calls in GLD, I'll make money in GLD either way as long as its a big move up or down. I'll lose some both ways if it stays in the middle though.
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08/15/2011 07:45 am
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 Posted 08/15/2011  08:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mmerlinn to your friends list

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I agree, I just wondered if you had your money where your mouth was... so to speak.


No money where my mouth is. Am on the sidelines waiting for the drop I expect. And expect to stay on the sidelines until early October. In the meantime I am stashing buying money. Mid to late October I am planning on buying whatever I can afford with the expectation of new highs after the first of the year.
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 Posted 08/15/2011  08:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ceylon62 to your friends list
Unlike other commodities, Gold has some big money (billions) on both sides of the trade currently. Which side runs of out money first will determine the direction of the price. Certain price points in gold will be defended and attacked by both sides.

Ergo sideways price action is another possibility with violent intra day swings of $100 to $200 are possible and probable.
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 Posted 08/16/2011  7:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ed_B to your friends list
mmerlinn... I can relate exactly to your market calls. I have done the same on numerous occasions, the most recent being cashing out of the stock market on July 5th of this year. I can't exactly explain it either. It is possible to develop a "feel" for the market and how it is behaving over time. When the market starts to diverge from where its feel suggests that it should be, trouble is very often near at hand. I felt the very same thing in the summer of 2008 but ignored it... much to my cost! I can easily afford to miss out on some earnings for a few months but cannot afford to suffer another 30-40% loss. The market was up nicely from about mid-2009 through all of 2010. I wanted to cash out those gains and preserve them in MY pocket, rather than letting them get sucked back into the maw of Wall Street. Of course, I now have the problem of trying to figure out when to get back into the market. Will probably do so in 5-6 increments over the next 10-12 months so as to not buy in at a temporary high. If something bad happens at any time in this process, I can always halt putting any new money in until it settles a bit.

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