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Hugo Chavez To Pull Gold Reserves Out Of US And Europe

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 Posted 08/20/2011  06:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list

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Gold soared to new heights even in the face of a World Gold Council report that said demand was down 37% year on year.


Good thing demand is down, or the price would be $3,000.
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 Posted 08/20/2011  07:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ceylon62 to your friends list
Taking physical delivery of gold which has been in the international settlement system will cause some dislocations.

Not knowing the current custodians trades quite a few possible temporary outcomes are possible which will work its self out. It is estimated at about 1.5 days of production.


On a side note -- The nut case in Libya is trying to move / get his hands on the Libyan gold and other assets (easy to move) that are still inside of Libya and the various international agencies are keeping track as it belongs to the citizens of Libya.




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Having some gold in Swiss bank vaults can be very handy for any dictator who falls out of favor at home



Not any more - Egypt -- They FROZE all accounts including the Swiss accounts of all known prior regime participants and their families. These assets will make their way back to the Egyptian people / country / get repatriated in some way. The numbers vary from about 50 to 100 bill $ or more as Murbaiks family alone is supposed to have close to 40 Bill stashed away.


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 Posted 08/20/2011  09:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Libertad to your friends list
All of this gold and dictator talk is reminding me of that fun film, "Three Kings" (1999), which had to do with Saddam Hussein and stolen gold bullion.

After reading all of your replies, I can only say that Chavez is just placing his chips on better bets right now. He's picking his future war buddies.
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 Posted 08/20/2011  09:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nohope587 to your friends list
Is he the only one moving his gold home or are others following suit?
As has been said before in this thread transporting large quantities of bullion is a risky endeavor. Putting aside the possibility of robbery there is always the chance of natural disaster...

I for one am kind of curious to see if the transportation of gold reserves has increased of late
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 Posted 08/20/2011  10:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GoThunder to your friends list
One word: pirates
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 Posted 08/20/2011  1:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list

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This move is the polar opposite of England's move to sell all of their gold reserves at around $300 US.

Why would they sell gold at $300 (and to whom) when the going rate is over six times that much? Selling it for fiscal reasons can be justified, but not selling it at 16% of its value.
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 Posted 08/20/2011  1:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add XavierOfGreen to your friends list
Ive been waiting for years for Chavez to make a move miliatarily in the region, Venezuela claims about half the land area of its neighbor Guyana. Ordinarily I would see these gold withdrawls as a sign that he might be getting closer towards making a move, but given that his health is so poor at the moment I think he wont trouble us very much for the time being.
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 Posted 08/20/2011  3:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ceylon62 to your friends list
Richard, below are two situations that were talked about on the net when it happened.

India -- When they bought a big chunk of gold (09 or 10) there was talk that they wanted it delivered in India. However India did NOT have a safe place to stash it at that time per security experts. Not sure if they have subsequently built anything and taken delivery of it. No one is going to publicize large movements of valuables or their locations. Hugo being Hugo is being Hugo.

Also, back in 2008 during the melt down and they were giving away PM's ...Soros is supposed to have flown either 1 or 2 cargo planes (as big as they come) into South Africa, paid in $'s and loaded up the planes with PM's. The supposed / alleged destination of the PM cargo was to a western friendly island or country in South America.

The story goes...To maximize the load they took apart all non essential fixtures and only the pilots were in it with the cargo
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 Posted 08/20/2011  3:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nohope587 to your friends list
A couple of times I have worked in Argentina. there is a certain dock in tierra del fuego that has regular shipments of gold going out. Not huge amounts just a truck load at a time. We were using the dock for crew changes and re-supply you always knew a shipment was due as there was an excessive amount of armed guards on duty that day.
I always though it would be fairly easy thing to plan on taking over the boat when it left the dock. Even if at the time gold was only around $300 an ounce I figure a truck would hold a couple of hundred kilos...

BiggFredd the UK gold sell of was quite some time ago.
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 Posted 08/20/2011  5:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list

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The story goes...To maximize the load they took apart all non essential fixtures and only the pilots were in it with the cargo


The cargo being the money, of course. A ounce of gold doesn't weigh nearly as much as 15 Bennies, nor take as much space.
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 Posted 08/20/2011  9:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ed_B to your friends list

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The US for instance has the highest % and total number of incarcerated people in the world...

Very likely because we do not just kill them outright... unlike some countries.
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 Posted 08/20/2011  9:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Eupion to your friends list
And the ones we do execute, take years and years, if not decades. All those appeals, slow things down, but I guess it helps, since every so often, they find an "innocent" inmate. I dunno, if it was my country, I'd do what china does, and just get it over with, and maybe get some body parts for those that needs transplants. Win-win situation, IMO, since you get rid of the filth and heal the sick.
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 Posted 08/20/2011  10:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ron2012Paul to your friends list
Except a big portion of the people incarcerated are there for non violent drug crimes.
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 Posted 08/21/2011  12:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list
Cancel the war on drugs, problem solved.
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 Posted 08/21/2011  01:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rdlem to your friends list
totally, but the prison industrial complex and it's lobbies would go berserk.
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