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Forum Dad
 United States
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Maybe I'm just blind, or it's the images, but the breast feathers look non-existent and all the hairlines look flattened to me.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
14454 Posts |
I know O mint coins are known for light strikes but I find it hard to call this one a MS-64 based on these pictures. I am guessing it may be MS, one would have to have the coin in hand to even know if there are luster breaks to keep it from MS. I have no idea why the reverse picture is mirrored but this is what it should look like 
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Moderator
 United States
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I'm not prepared to call this a miss on NGC's part yet. The obverse is too obscured by toning to make concrete determinations, so I'll base my opinion on the reverse: Talons are flat, a classic sign of a weak strike, as is the lack of detail in the large wreath leaf above the "E." Plenty of detail is noted in the upper edges of the wings nearest the neck, a relatively shallow part of the devices which usually survive a weak strike yet wear early in circulation. The same goes for the eagle's neck itself. I consider the breast inconsequential in New Orleans strikes; heck, when you can see breast feathers at all on a New Orleans coin, you're doing well.  The legs have the classic weak-strike flatness, but this isn't much of a deciding factor because they wear early as well. Was NGC close? I believe so.
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Rest in Peace
United States
7075 Posts |
I'm still learning so I really appreciate all the specific information that has been shared about grading.
I am wondering, is it possible for the toning to occur after being slabbed?
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Moderator
 United States
23522 Posts |
Quote: I am wondering, is it possible for the toning to occur after being slabbed? Very possible. Slabs are not airtight, and the right atmospheric conditions will tone a coin almost as quickly in a slab as raw. I'm guessing this isn't an example of that, as dark as the toning is, but I may be wrong.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
580 Posts |
I think the biggest question is how much did this coin sell for.
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Valued Member
United States
178 Posts |
Wow that doesn't look MS to me at all! maybe SGS MS64
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
1348 Posts |
Like I said classic case of bought before I saw the coin. Paid $55
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Moderator
 United States
23522 Posts |
I'd call that a decent deal if the coin grades out. There's very darn little chatter in the fields and with a clearer look at the obverse I could almost support the idea it's high-end for 64.
Do you by chance have a scanner, w1a9c8k5? This is an ideal time for images which take color and luster (or lack thereof) completely out of the picture so we can consider the strict technical merits of the coin.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
580 Posts |
I don't think $55 is alot for this coin. That's just my rookie opinion. Besides, at the rate silver has been going up, that coin may be worth the $55 in silver alone very soon....lol
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
1267 Posts |
The coin certainly looks ms64 to me. NO Morgans were struck with less pressure than the other mints to try and make the dies last longer, so the grading has to take this into consideration. The toning gives the coin an original, unique look that at least to me keeps it from looking like the thousands of dipped and stripped blast white coins out there. I kind of like it. 
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Pillar of the Community
United States
952 Posts |
I have taken to the advice of J.H. Cline......do not buy if you don't agree with the holder. I know you didn't see if beforehand though.....
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
17884 Posts |
Quote: NO Morgans were struck with less pressure than the other mints to try and make the dies last longer, NO dollars were struck at HIGHER pressure on harder planchets due to improper annealing and that is why the dies failed so quickly.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1704 Posts |
$55.00 was a great price for an MS-64 slabbed coin. You can't find a common date MS-63 in any of the three top TPG services for under $65.00 now. Ed ANA LM-3175
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Valued Member
United States
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I would have said that in no wasy was an MS64, no way. But after reading some of the explanations on this thread it is a good thing I kept my mouth shut. I must say there are some very sharp people on this site. Ed you seemto know your stuff.
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