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I've Been Told This Is Real...

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 Posted 08/21/2011  07:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list

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Why were they produced?

To extract money from tourists.

These are "tourist copies", typical of the sorts of coins you can still find for sale in the street markets and tourist spots of Italy, Greece, Turkey, Syria and elsewhere in the Mediterranean world. No-one who is at all familiar with ancient coins would be fooled by them. These ones in particular are the wrong metal - while some later Roman and Greek coins were made of brass, no Archaic Period pieces were (like these purport to be).

I think the pointy-bearded chap bottom right of bottom pic was copied from the satyr seen on the Naxos silver staters.
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 Posted 08/21/2011  08:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John A to your friends list
I had the same reaction when I saw then but my grandmother insisted they were real. I took them to a well known dealer to prove I was right, but no. He also said they were real, and seemed to be very knowledgeable about them. I guess I should sell them to him. :-) More opinions would be appreciated.

Thanks
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 Posted 08/21/2011  11:30 am  Show Profile   Check GO's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GO to your friends list

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my grandmother insisted they were real.
Unfortunately that has no bearing on the authenticity if she isn't an expert on coins.

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He also said they were real

Did he offer to buy them? Did he provide any incite as to what they were?

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More opinions would be appreciated

You are going to hear then same thing from multiple member


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These are "tourist copies", typical of the sorts of coins you can still find for sale in the street markets and tourist spots of Italy,
This pretty much sums it up as Sap is one of the most knowledgeable members on foreign coins that we have.
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 Posted 08/21/2011  12:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Darth Anarchus to your friends list
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 Posted 08/21/2011  12:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list
100% fake.
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 Posted 08/21/2011  5:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spider5689 to your friends list
I can't agree more, they look like fakes.
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 Posted 08/21/2011  6:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pls to your friends list
They might be real somethings, but coins they aren't.
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 Posted 08/22/2011  07:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add t0rress to your friends list
Very bad fakes
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 Posted 08/22/2011  07:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add t0rress to your friends list
Here a two good replicas made in Italy 1980

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 Posted 08/22/2011  08:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list
OK, I've done a bit more research and found them all. The pointy-bearded fake is here on FORVM's gallery of fantasies. And here is the "aes grave" at top left.

The big one with the trident-wielding Poseidon is very loosely copied off a (much smaller) silver stater of Poseidonia; Example. "POM" isn't archaic "ROME", it's archaic "POS". Here is a replica of similar design.

I can't read the script on the crested-helmet one well enough to ID it.
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 Posted 08/22/2011  12:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biokemist6 to your friends list
As an admitted ancient novice, the biggest tip-off for me that they are not genuine is the fact that they are the size of a cup coaster
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 Posted 08/22/2011  1:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list

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As an admitted ancient novice
Same here--yet I'm pretty familiar with the art of ancient Greece. It was seldom surpassed by ancient Rome, and rarely matched by modern copies. That helps a novice like me sort out obvious copies from more faithful reproductions.
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 Posted 08/22/2011  8:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Doucet to your friends list
Personally, I think it might be nice to have a sub-collection of these tourist copies, if they weren't too expensive.

Especially if they were several decades old and you knew the person who acquired them, or if I could personally get them on a trip to the great places where they sell them to tourists. (I never get to travel abroad...yet.)

I would actually prefer the tourist types as apposed to the "genuine" replicas, which could be dangerously deceiving.

Just a sub- collection....... for the fun of it.

They use to sell tourist Kachina dolls along Route 66 in New Mexico back in the 40's & 50's. They were rather cheap imatations of the real dolls. They're kinda collectable now.

Anyway, just a thought.
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 Posted 08/22/2011  8:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John A to your friends list
I was pretty sure they were fake but still needed to make sure. The two people who knew anything about them insisted they were real. My grandmother said there was no need to fake them because they were a dime a dozen and worthless. lol. Thanks Sap. That was the type of reply I was looking for. With that being said...They're real, I tell you! REAL!
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 Posted 08/22/2011  9:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add StJoeBlues to your friends list
I think the writing on them is cuneiform for "COPY."
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