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At What Point Is A Collection Considered Valueable?

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 Posted 09/29/2011  9:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add trout1105 to your friends list
I don't think you can just put a dollar value on your collection.
Besides the dollar value there is the sentimental value and the amount of time and effort that went into hunting for those coins that wanted to finish a particular set off.
Also there are those coins given to you by family members that are no longer with us.
Insurance doesn't cover certain losses, so it is a wasted expense.
A good gun safe will hold a heap of coins along with the necessary "insurance tools" to protect them
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 Posted 09/29/2011  9:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hesgut to your friends list
If you keep your coins in an extremely heavy safe, it won't get taken. If it's a good expensive safe, it won't get broken into unless you're dealing with experts with hours of time on their hands. Being forced at gunpoint to open your safe can be avoided by having a good home security system to alert you combined with the personal firearms and the ability and predisposition to use them.
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 Posted 09/29/2011  11:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add LuvinCoins to your friends list
I wouldn't put my family in any situation that would involve someone trying to break into my home to steal my valuables, which is why I have multiple safety deposit boxes.

It's well known that a very high percentage of break-ins are "in-side jobs", therefore my theory is if they know I don't have it at home; they leave me alone lol
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 Posted 09/29/2011  11:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add parkay to your friends list
trout1105 , what about fire will gun safes protect them from heat or do you have to buy one of the very expensive safes to be fire rated?
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 Posted 09/30/2011  01:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add trout1105 to your friends list
No they are not fire proof.
But then again you can't have everything.
If there is a fire my collections and swords are the first thing I would grab, then the photo albums.
Everything else is covered with houshold insurance and is replacable.
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 Posted 09/30/2011  03:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 1cent to your friends list
YMMV, but I would rather keep stuff safely and discretely at home than in a bank SDB. When the problems in the Eurozone finally bump the global economic system off the edge and pandemonium ensues, you will not be getting into your bank to retrieve your stuff.
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 Posted 09/30/2011  03:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add trout1105 to your friends list
Good point 1cent
As soon as the banks go #rse up they lock the doors pretty quick.

Given the chance of a fire and a bank folding I'll pick a bank folding first
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 Posted 09/30/2011  11:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add redlee to your friends list
I dont call 911 I call 357.
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 Posted 09/30/2011  11:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nod2003 to your friends list
Yeah, um, I can't find the . button on the phone :)
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 Posted 09/30/2011  11:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dave700x to your friends list
Has anyone ever thought of a decoy safe with minimal or no value contents (just weight)in a location that would be fairly easily found? Chances are if a theif comes across that, they are on their way with just that safe. My idea of a secure safe is a gun safe hidden behind a false wall with the real valuables in it.
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 Posted 09/30/2011  2:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hesgut to your friends list
A false wall? What, in the house library, with a certain book needing to be tilted to activate the mechanism. Who has that? That would be crazy expensive to install if even possible depending on the architecture of your home. I might as well hire an armed guard to stand next to my coins 24 hours a day.
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 Posted 09/30/2011  2:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hesgut to your friends list
the decoy safe isn't a bad idea though
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 Posted 09/30/2011  3:35 pm  Show Profile   Check SPP-Ottawa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add SPP-Ottawa to your friends list
Safety deposit boxes are good, but you have to be selective if you can't get a larger box (I have been on a waiting list for years, for the largest box at my bank). For everything else, I opted for insurance. When it comes to collecting, you cannot recover the time lost put into new varieties and the like, but the coins are merely items, like a piece of art on a wall or my wife's jewelry. Most home insurance only covers numismatic items up to $1000. Note that you have to keep meticulous records and documents (auction receipts or coin bourse receipts). Third party coin insurance will vary based on your living set-up, for example it is cheaper for a high-rise concrete condo with a doorman and security measures, but even for a typical house with decent security precautions (and a big angry dog!), it is cheaper than insuring a second car or motorcycle. I pay a heck of a lot more for green fees, golf balls and tips for the beer-cart-girl on an annual basis... and have nothing to show for it except some lost balls and a bit of swearing! You can drive for a lifetime, and never get into accidents, yet you spend thousands to insure your car. It is all a matter of perspective.

I would die protecting my family, but I would never put them at risk protecting my coins... worst case scenario, I can mitigate against the loss of a collection.
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 Posted 09/30/2011  3:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coincollector123 to your friends list
That is true. They are just "items". Family is not replaceable. The idea of a hidden wall is like having a tool wall which you have to remove tools and remove the wall part and then a safe or a multi lock door behind it. I am only 20 and value the base silver value to about 4,000 when silver was about $37 an ounce. Not really including any other types. I plan on getting a large safe sometime when I get my own place. I already own a revolver but for safety reasons don't keep ammunition anywhere close. I keep my collection in multiple places in different types of boxes. I have my main set in my laptop box and the folders in two ammo boxes. So those are the first things I would grab and toss out the window. Then my antique weapons and finally a hard drive. Everything else is ok.
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 Posted 09/30/2011  4:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biokemist6 to your friends list

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A false wall? What, in the house library, with a certain book needing to be tilted to activate the mechanism. Who has that?

That is movie stuff, anyone with a bit of carpentry skills can accomplish the task of creating a false wall in a weekend of work. It also helps to have a reasonably sized house too, false walls are virtually impossible to hide in a 750 sq ft one bedroom shotgun house.
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