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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I am pretty sure I have a fake sovereign made of brass. Would the fake have any value? It was included in a lot I got (with it being listed as a fake). I haven't weighted it out...it is real, then I feel bad for the guy I bought it from (I bought it maybe 5 years ago).
-SWUSC Edited by sfwusc 02/12/2009 8:14 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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sfwusc- well, it depends on when it was made and for what purpose. There are many fake guineas which were contemporary copies of the nineteenth century that were produced to be used as gaming tokens. Those have a little value.
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 Australia
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Fake sovereigns could have many uses, from forging and uttering to card counters to cheap jewellery.
Apparently, it's a tradition in Greece for New Year's Day cakes to be topped with a British gold sovereign. For those families that can't afford a genuine sovereign, fake ones can be purchased. I even have one where King George's titles are thoughtfully translated into Greek letters!
We'll need to see pics to have a go at confirming it's fakeness.
Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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United States
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Thanks for the pictures. That definitely looks like brass or bronze. It certainly does not seem to have been made as a gaming token. My best guess is that it was made as a novelty or as a contemporary counterfeit. What kind of perplexes me is that the details of the facial features (especially of the mustache) look even more detailed and sharper than that of real sovereigns.
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 United States
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I am 99% sure it is bronze/brass as it is kind of turning green :(
It does have good details... I wonder if it was made to cheat people when they were actually used as money?
-SWUSC
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The design isn't quite authentic; as Archraz implied, on genuine coins old Eddie 7 didn't have quite that much hair. Another giveaway is the beaded border on both sides - real sovereigns have denticles. So it wasn't made to fool a numismatist, or anyone that looked at their coins closely (and most people would have looked at a gold coin closely if they were accepting it as money). It's too "new" to be a card counter - Britain had laws banning imitation sovereigns made for that purpose by 1909. It could, of course, have been made outside Britain, like my Greek one. Speaking of which, I dug it out of the album - here's a pic:  The Greek text says "Memento from the New Year's Day Cake, 1958" ( Basilopita, literally "St Basil's cake" or "royal cake"). The portrait is of British king George V, who was long gone by 1958. It scans rather well, but it's actually brass.
Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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Spain
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The brass coin does not look modern, could be contemporary.
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Australia
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I agree with Sap, I have 2 of these tokens, 1 looks very similar to the 1958 token, but was made in 1957, the other one has Queen Victoria and the year 1956. If you Google Vasilopita (the Greeks seem to use V in place of B) you will find plenty of recipes for St Basil's Cake, traditionally eaten on New Year's Day. The cake is cut and slices are put aside for the Virgin Mary, Jesus and absent family members (and occasionally Goblins) and one for each family member present. Whoever finds the coin (which is hidden inside the cake in much the same way silver sixpences are hidden in English Christmas Puddings and other charms are hidden in King Cakes)gets good luck and the token. The Wikipaedia entry on King Cakes goes into the customs in quite a bit of detail.
Thanks for posting up the image Sap, I have been looking for confirmation that this is where the tokens are from and it is quite difficult finding any info.
Mark
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G'day & thanks all, I am very fond of real sovs, and I find these "homages" almost as interesting. The 1956 QV, and 1958 KG5 are certainly interesting. When I got home, I'll dig out my personal favourite: a 1907 QE2 - young head, of course. Peter under the Golden Arches, Alice Springs
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I have a little coronation medallion with a similar design.  
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