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Could This Be My Cincinnati?

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Coming available in a March Heritage Auction ... the cleanest example I have seen yet.

http://coins.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleN...lotIdNo=1116

Need to see the High-Res photos ... but for sure interested. This coin IMHO will sell for multiples of 'book' value.

Appreciate your evaluations/views.

Is it March yet?

David
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my guess is that this might be an 1800 coin. It's probably been dipped though... given that nearly all of the top pop Cincy's from Denver are fully toned. Would be a wonderful example to have though if it looks great in hand. looks fully struck to me.
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This 1936 d meets your pedigree requirements, PCGS 66, CAC approved and pure white. The close up photos do show some minor issues of contact on the jaw, hair around the ear as well as the high points of her skirt. All these and the minor mark above the word "Stephen" are unnoticeable from first glance. The only distraction to me would be the area next to the harp. I agree with the MS 66 grade and they do not come by this fine very often.
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@muddler- I don't think I've seen a Cincy without those jaw marks. is that just annealing chatter from an incomplete strike?
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When I posted the link, High-Res photos were not yet available. Just took a look at them now.

Agreed that the cheek of Steven Foster shows some original planchet marks ... this is a sign of lack of full strike IMHO.

Agree as well that the marks on the reverse field near the harp are a bit of a distraction ... and that is has probably been dipped.

Appears to retain nice luster ...


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my guess is that this might be an 1800 coin


Or more ... I have a month to make up my mind.

Still interested ... I've been looking a long time for a nice Cincinnati example ... and this one seems to fit the bill quite nicely ... I have never seen a 'better' example based on my personal aesthetic needs for the set.

Thanks for the replies ...

David

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David,

This is a very nice looking Cincy! It looks like it would fit your set perfectly. I hope you have the opportunity to add this coin to your set.

Steven
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Soooo ... this coin is now available for internet bids .. leading up to the Heritage floor auction date of March 8th.

The sale of this coin will be an instructive event relative to the premium that educated buyers place on true premium quality coins.

My estimate of full-retail value for an MS66 1936-D Cincinnati is $968 ... that estimate averages today's Greysheet (Ask), Numismedia FMV and PCGS Price Guide values.

However ... this particular coin is not 'average' ... and will for sure be recognized as such by the Heritage clientele.

I'm thinking that this lovely Cincinnati will hammer for over $2000 ... which causes me to carefully consider my strategy relative to needing to feed the family.

No doubt the best example I've seen ... and the last coin needed to complete my basic type set ... so I will be an interested observer as the bids progress.

21 days to go ... current bid (not mine) is $900.

David
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David, it is the one, and the last one needed to complete your impressive set. Yes you will still up grade some of your commemoratives but you have been searching for an example of this quality for years, will another one come around?
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No worries muddler ... you are of course correct in all you said above.

I will be a factor in the auction ... just trying to decide where to draw the line on max bid I can stand for the coin.

Once I become comfortable with that number ... I'll put it out there and see where the chips fall.

BTW ... did you check out the MS66+/CAC Lincoln in this auction ... Wow ... spectacular ... and another upgrade I need for the MS set.

David
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Just let all those overtime hours kick it up a notch David.. It's only paper money - not silver!
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A little off subject but here is an ebay 1937 d Oregon, PCGS 66 cac.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/37058670666....m1423.l2649

I see one peck on the chief's breast that is why it may only be a 66.
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The auction for this Cincinnati is over ... final hammer price was $1500 ... make that $1725 total (plus shipping) with Heritage 15% buyers premium ...

This coin sold for less than I thought it would ... approximately 1.8x the 'full retail value' of $968 that I stated above.

Anyways .... winning bidder was yours truly.

Also purchased two other absolutely stunning (to my eye) classic silver commemorative upgrades in the same auction ... will save the stories on those coins for the photos when they all show up and I can evaluate in hand.

It took me awhile to find an agreeable Cincinnati ... I'm looking forward to sharing my photos and evaluation when the coin shows up.

David
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...winning bidder was yours truly.
Congratulations!


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It took me awhile to find an agreeable Cincinnati ... I'm looking forward to sharing my photos and evaluation when the coin shows up
Excellent. I am sure that I am not alone in anticipating this update.
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nice score, Dave. What are you upgrading? and what with?
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Now a complete set of early commemoratives in quality grade. a true accomplishment I could only dream of, congratulations on your purchase.
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Now a complete set of early commemoratives in quality grade.


Thank you muddler for the kind acknowledgement ... honestly that sense of 'done' has not hit me yet ... suppose I need to have the Cincinnati in hand first.

My search for the complete MS set has been an amazing journey of learning and joy ... and although this coin (once in hand) completes the set ... I truly have many steps to take before I consider my set 'done' to my now mature collecting standards.


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What are you upgrading? and what with?


Simply stated CC ... upgrading coins in my set that do not meet my standards ... my now mature objective for the set is as follows ...

A complete 50-coin type set of minimal to no toning coins, all well struck with original luster, all MS64 or better in PCGS holders with CAC approval.

With this Cincinnati ... I now need 9 more upgrades to meet that goal.

You will see the other two coins when I get them ... amazing coins by the Heritage photos

No hurry ... no worries. I'm just having fun with a great series. If it takes 5 more years to finish the upgrades I am fine ... when I am finally 'done' I hope to have built something special.

Thanks for the replies.

David
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