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A Busy Severan Obverse Die

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 Posted 11/30/2012  08:25 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add maridvnvm to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I posted my II CO Legionary denarius of septimius Severus recently and noted in the thread that the obverse die was linked with multiple reverse types. I checked my notes and the die is linked with 10 different reverse types (not 9 as prevously mentioned). It should be noted that these are not just different reverse dies as there are a few examples where the reverse type is represented from multiple reverse dies too.

It should be noted that this isn't the busiest die and I believe thet Doug has seen an obverse die linked with a dozen reverse types.

I thought the topic worthy of a post illustrating my 6 examples thus far but also including the details of the other types too.

BONAE SPEI advancing l., BMC 341 pl. 15.12, Paris, formerly H J Berk stock, Martin Griffiths (multiple reverse dies used)

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BONI EVENTVC (sic), Fides standing l., Bern, formerly Berk stock, Martin Griffiths (same die pair)

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FELICITAS T[EMP]OR, wheat ear between two crossed cornucopias (B. Murphy stock, 2003)

INVICTO IMP TROPAEA, Trophy, Paris

INVICTO IMP TROPAEA II, Trophy, BMC 368 pl. 16.8

LEG VIII AVO (sic) TR P COS, eagle and standards, Oxford ex Walker, JNG 1978/1979, pl. 9, 4, Martin Griffiths (same die pair)

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MINER VICT, Minerva seated left, holding victory in right hand, spear in left, shield beneath, Martin Griffiths

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MONETAE AVG seated l. holding scales and cornucopia, Doug Smith, Martin Griffiths (x2) Multiple reverse dies

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MONETAE AVG Standing l. holding scales and cornucopia, ebay 2010

VICTOR IVST AVG, Victory adv. l. holding wreath and palm, ebay ex. B. Murphy, Martin Griffiths

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 Posted 11/30/2012  08:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bing to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Amazing that you and Doug have found so many. Many of these I would like to have in my collection. Very nice.
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Interesting to see all the different reverses linked to one obverse. Their is a lot to learn about the coins of SS.
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I'll throw in three photos including a die dupe of the BONI EVENTVC so I have a chance to make a couple points. Martin knows all this; some of you may not. These are somewhat rare coins. The existing world supply of all the coins from this die probably could be held in one man's hands with maybe 10 of each reverse known. Lets guess that there are another hundred out there that we have not seen so there could be 200 total in all grades. The number of people who care are also very few (probably under the 10) but it just happens you know two of them. Some of the existing copies are just plain dogs. I hate it that one of mine has not a trace of the IICO legend showing but the die is identifiable by other features for example the P of SEP having a barb on the left upright that shows clearly on most of these coins as well as the usual spacings of letters used in die ID work. After a while collectors like Martin and I get to know dies by the look on Septimius' face just like he were in our circle of friends. That makes it a lot easier for us to spot other specimens when we get the chance.

For most of you it would be silly to consider buying one of these oddities rather than a nicer Septimius of a more common type. We might pay a little extra for these coins but not enough people care to start up much of a bidding war. High grade coins sell for a lot more than rare ones do unless the rare ones happen to be very high demand as well (I'm thinking here of the architectural reverses, Medusa head and dynastic multiple portraits). If you get interested in Septimius, such coins may become more interesting about the time you get 300 others to go with them. Don't ask where to get the book that will teach you all this. Someone has not written it yet. It would not sell well.

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Interesting to see all the different reverses linked to one obverse. Their is a lot to learn about the coins of SS.


My current personal best is this set of six.
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I was able to find these mostly because the portrait has a weak nose making coins from this die stand out more than most. If you started with 10,000 assorted Emesa denarii, I suspect you could do better. I was told of the set of a dozen from one die but I only have 3 or 4 of them. It would be interesting to gather the images and see how many I could get but I have never done it for that die. Serious die study work requires a lot of coins and I don't have a lot of money to buy a thousand near duplicates.
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