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Since I started collecting again a couple of months ago I've not zeroed in any particular type. I've been picking up coins from large cents to Morgan's to State Quarters. After contemplating for a while, I've decided to get serious about a Franklin half year/mint set to work on. I want to shoot for a minimum grade of MS63. My main avenue for purchase will probably be ebay, so I'm going to shoot for slabbed coins (top three companies) and established sellers. My question... If you were going to put together this set, would you keep them slabbed or crack them open and go with a Dansco album? Secondary question (which probably shows which way I'm leaning...) When you crack them out is there an optimum method to prevent damaging the coin?
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Rest in Peace
United States
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My own feeling is to leave them in the slabs if the slabber is one of the top TPGs (ANACS, PCGS, NGC, ICG). In the slab, they retain and appreciate their value but as a raw coin, they lose anywhere from 25% to 50% or more of their value upon resale. Granted, they can be reslabbed, but that costs bucks and for certain mid-MS grade relatively common slabbed coins (say, an MS-63 1883 Carson City Morgan), they wouldn't regain their purchase cost plus reslab cost for many years. That said, I use a Dremel with an itty bitty round saw blade to crack out slabbed coins. It's far less risky than the hacksaw and screwdriver method. Dremels are relatively inexpensive at Walmart, but I prefer the 110vac Dremel to the rechargeable battery type: more power; the blade bogs down and freezes with batteries. Fred
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Pillar of the Community
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I wonder if there are any albums out there that would hold slabbed coins? If there is, then it might solve the problem of deciding whether to choose either the slab or the album.
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Rest in Peace
United States
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Not an album, per se, but a loose leaf binder with plastic sleeves for photos does very nicely for holding slabs. Given my druthers, I prefer to keep my slabbed coins in a plastic PCGS slab box (NGC will work just as well). Anytime I want to show off my collection, I just pull them out of the box and hand them over to the viewer without having to worry about damage to the coins.
I'm not a real big fan of coin albums (as you may have deduced), at least of the type in which raw coins are pressed into slots. Although I have a few of these with mostly common date cents, nickels, dimes, and quarters, the fingerprints of those who have leafed through the albums (and of he who put them in) are evident and any coin which was BU when I put it in is no longer bright and shiny due to toning/oxidation over the years. I like the protection of plastic.
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Valued Member
United States
70 Posts |
If you want the slabs in an album Eagle makes pages that hold slabs & then go into a binder.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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I'm the type of person that will say I collect coins, not plastic. Every time I purchase a slabbed coin I cut it out and put it in an album. That way I can see all my coins in one place and I don't have to acquire a hernia lifting a pile of plastic. I use a saber saw. Fine toothed blade but not a metal cutter. Place in a vice, cut off the top and sides and the thing just falls apart. NGC is a little thicker so you have to move at a rather fast pase or the metal blade gets hot and the plastic reseals itself. I then take the little stickers and tape them to the inside of the album as a reminder of what the coin was or is.
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Valued Member
United States
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Morgan Fred, How can the same coin outside the slab retain, gain, or "lose anywhere from 25% to 50% or more of (it's)their value upon resale?" Are you not talking about the same coin? MethMan, To each his own, but unless you plan on putting together a registry set, I don't understand why you would give the TPGs your money. There are no "stopper coins" in the Franklin series (1949S and 1950 are the are the 2 highest in 63 @ $40-$60) and I would not be worried about authenticity issues in this series. Most MS63 Frankies can be obtained in the approx. range of $10-$35. With TPG premiums you essentially double the cost of the set and IMO you will not get that extra $$$ back out of them if you choose to sell.
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Rest in Peace
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quote: How can the same coin outside the slab retain, gain, or "lose anywhere from 25% to 50% or more of (it's)their value upon resale?" Are you not talking about the same coin?
I shuddent have written so fast; I'll try to make myself more clear. A coin in a slab from one of the top TPGs is worth considerably more upon resale than if the coin is cracked out of the slab, then resold as a raw coin. For example, a PCGS-slabbed MS-63 1890-CC Morgan can be sold for $1K (book says $1200, but that's highest market value). Crack that 90CC out of the slab, try to resell it, and it most likely won't go for more than $500 (about $400 is more likely). It'll cost $30 to $50 to have it regraded by PCGS (presuming it retains its MS-63 grade, not always a guarantee with PCGS or the other top TPGs), so might as well leave it in the original slab. There's also the protective value of a professionally sealed encapsulation. We are only caretakers of these coins; thus, we should do our utmost to preserve these coins for future generations, especially for the less common and older coins. Cracking them out of slabs and putting them into cardboard albums puts them into a state of vulnerability. True, there are commercial plastic holders and slabs ( Coin World holders, for example) which would do the same thing as commercial TPG slabs, but these don't have the element of permanence since the coins usually may be easily removed thus making them vulnerable once again. My best coins are all in TPG slabs.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I would have to agree with Fred on this one because a slab coin from a TPG like ngc or pcgs will hold it's value more then a raw coin cut out of the slab. And at anytime you want to sell or pass the coins down to your family when you are gone they will receive more of a value also then a raw coin. And there are slab binders so you can make up your own albums, it is your collection and only you can make the final decision. Bruce.
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Valued Member
 United States
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Well. I checked out the Eagle Certified Coin Albums.
Cake.
And I get to eat it too.
Thanks for the heads up, AnemicOak.
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Valued Member
United States
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Fred, my point is: It is the same coin...the coin's value does not change, only the slabs label. You should have stated, and I think you mean, that a coin is much more liquid in a PCGS Slab. Your statements may confuse some novice collectors, or investors in this context.
Edited by Benji 04/11/2007 11:59 pm
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Pillar of the Community
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As others have said, I think a slabbed coin is worth far more than an unslabbed. Why remove authenticity guarantees & protectiveness? I you were about to spend your cash on an expensive coin, wouldn't you feel more secure if it was slabbed by one of the top grading companies?
Edited by yechi7 04/12/2007 01:34 am
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Valued Member
United States
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Yechi, I agree with you as far as TPGs ensuring the authenticity on "expensive coin(s);" however, in this case we are talking about Franklins. How many counterfeit Franks have you encountered? Why would a coin Dr. make a $30 return on Franky fakes when he/she could rake in several thousands on a 93-s Morgan? I only wish collectors, and to a lesser extent investors, would take the time to educate themselves on how to grade a series of focus...IMO that is part of collecting...BTW, contrary to popular belief, the the top 3 have put counterfeit coins into their slabs on many occasions...I have an entire collection of PCGS slabs with either counterfeit contents or grossly mislabeled designations. Bring this to the attention of PCGS and they are willing to put out top $$$ to cover up their mistakes...TPG graders are only humans (some well trained) who provide an opinion. It is up to the buyer to protect themselves..in this day and age it is the closest thing to the "Wild West"...that is why I love collecting and laugh every time I hear a sob story of someone getting cleaned out on what he/she thought was a deal of lifetime.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Benji said, "BTW, contrary to popular belief, the the top 3 have put counterfeit coins into their slabs on many occasions...I have an entire collection of PCGS slabs with either counterfeit contents or grossly mislabeled designations."
That's scary. I'm somewhat new to numismatics,but I've been reading lots of reliable texts. (Buy the book before you buy the coin.) I thought slabs by the top 3 were the best guarantee of authenticity. As I said, it's scary when you can't count on the experts who are supposed to be the most skilled in detecting counterfeits.
Edited by yechi7 04/12/2007 02:18 am
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Valued Member
United States
459 Posts |
Don't get me wrong, the top 3 are the top 3 for a reason, but they are not absolute. Grading is subjective and there are numerous variables that effect the final grade i.e. (small sample of examples) temperament, mood, or disposition of the grader; preference or prejudice towards a series; toning or eye appeal, and time spent examining the coin. On the PCGS website they have a video on the grading process. When a coin is graded (@ PCGS) it is viewed by 3 graders for approx. 10-15 seconds...How long do you spend examining a piece prior to purchase? This could account for the "crack out and re-submit game" that can result in several different grades of the exact same coin by a TPG (which inflates and skews the pop. figures). BTW it is not only authenticity to be concerned about, but also whether or not a coin has been chemically altered...some dealers are well versed in the dipping of coins and the coins still find their way into a TPG slab...at the expense of several body-bags and re-submissions.
Edited by Benji 04/12/2007 03:22 am
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Back to the original question. Note that most answers are based on value for resale. If that is your main purpose in coin collecting, then what has been noted about keeping coins slabbed is true. You can easily see that most of the reasons for leaving a coin in a slab is to note it's professionally graded state and to hold it's value. However, I am a coin collector, not a plastic collector. I am rather on the older side, have been collecting coins for well over 60 years and not really worried about resale value of my collections in the distant future. Not sure if there is a distant future. Not even interested in what someone else will think of my methods that inherits this mess. If that individual wants slabs, let them take care of that. I am to old, weak and tired to want to lift mountains of plastic slabs to look at my coins. I really like opening one of many albums and looking at ALL the coins in the set at one time. Almost to old to cut the slabs open so at times I ask the dealers at coin shows to do it for me and usually no problem with that either.
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