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Pillar of the Community
United States
581 Posts |
They're an ok investment if: 1. You don't fall in love with them 2. Don't invest on a wing and a prayer - in other words, don't invest $$$ on the hopes that such and such will happen. Don't try to read the market!!!
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Pillar of the Community
Belgium
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But Lady After my MBA and 40 years in the market I am reading it However the thing is to be prepaired for the unprepaired  Hmm this forum does not support png I try again What the chart says is that june or july will be safe to buy anything in gold 
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Pillar of the Community
United States
581 Posts |
Hmmmm. If I remember my statistics class right, that chart is filled with somethin' called cat whiskers. Not sure I would pin my future on feline fickleness!!! Seriously tho, gold has an built-in value - a 19th century Morgan does not. If I spend $1000 on a Morgan, I have just purchased something worth whatever its silver value is (maybe $10). That is all - everything else is a "wing and a prayer"! If I invest in gold, it might tank on me, but it will be worth a relatively decent percentage of my original investment. If the coin market tanks, then my poor Morgan is only worth the silver it's made of. That's what I meant. Gold is pricey for me, but I got plenty of my friend - Silver. 
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Pillar Of The Community
3147 Posts |
I look at coin collecting as an investment (some coins) but really see the average collection as a private savings account that for the most part no one else knows about. Your money is not gone but transferred into another asset which you may keep for years, drawing interest you may not even know about, until a time comes to sell them. I have been more than surprised by dirty old coins I had put back as they cost me little at the time of purchase, some years ago, and was shocked when I offered them to a dealer this summer. Nickels I paid $10 to $15 for years ago were now $70 to $100!!! My advice is buy wisely, build a diverse collection and be willing to HOLD on to it for a few years. The longer the better and most importantly DON'T OVER DO IT! Keep within your budget so financial needs don't require you to keep selling off your collection. Enjoy what you are doing and when possible go with the classics of old as they don't make them any more!
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Valued Member
Ireland
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Others can invest on coins. I have been to UK museum didnt saw a slab coin all are raw  . I didnt seen any TPG expo, where in US others can saw slab in high grade in coin expo etc. Others can make a slab or raw museum of high grade coins a compilation of collection but the insurance for expensive coin is in question, maybe can charge the visitors for entrance fee for maintenance, well be an ongoing investment just a comment,for it will be imposible for me to reach that goal atleast I saw them all stack up in one place  but it will be likely in US so imposible to me I'm in ireland  just a thought.
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Pillar of the Community
Belgium
2078 Posts |
I do not know the term cat whiskers But this chart has been doing this since 1999 but my chart is limited to five years max
This is a very specific kind of statistics and if you want to look at the formations borrow Edwards and Magee Stock Trends it still is the Bible after all those years
What you see are scallops followed by a break out trying to go exponential ( ballistic ) and luckily coming down each time . If it did not come down it would go very high and probably be over with .
The average cycle lengths has been 12 monthly candles with shorter 6 and 3 months cycles running interference . If you have a long time horizon Full stochastics are a marvelous indicator . The red flagging means overbought and correction coming .
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
20753 Posts |
Investing in coins? HMMMM. Well for one thing if you do buy a coin today and save it for several years, take it to a coin show and sell it for double, NO TAXES. As long as I've been collecting coins I've never really seen a time when the prices of coins has dropped. Gold, Silver, baseball cards, Platinum, Cars, dishes, Beanie Babies, How Wheel cars, stamps and on and on have all come and gone. They all were worth a lot and then the floor fell out. I've been collecting coins for well over 60 years now and only up,up,up with prices of coins. And if I decide to sell them all, NO TAXES.
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
2217 Posts |
^ I'm of the same mindset as Carl - this compounded with the aesthetic quality of metals and the huge amount of historical learning to be gleaned from them made them an irresistable hobby about three months ago when I started looking at them on Egay. Oops! can't spell ;)
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Valued Member
United States
102 Posts |
Most higher graded/valued coins over the past 4 years have significantly increased in value as more collectors/baby boomers are joining. Stay away from the bullion and let the commodity traders handle them. Just like stocks you have to do your homework. Need to determine which coins are increasing in value the most.
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Valued Member
United States
239 Posts |
I think so especially rare coins
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Valued Member
United States
239 Posts |
If you look at price books some of the gains that coins have had in 60 or so years is amazing
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Pillar of the Community
United States
3343 Posts |
Last week I cashed in some coins I no longer wanted. I put the money back into coins, but it was a cash transaction - no barter or dealing. I made money: $675 worth of coins brought $1087. Retail for the coins is considerably more, but unless I take a chance on ebay or Heritage I pretty much have to live with a dealer's margin, which in this case was around 50% over wholesale on collectable coins, and 10-20% on bullion. On average I had held these coins 12 years. That works out to 4% interest - about what I would have gotten if I had put the money into a CD. Most of the gain was due to gold's recent appreciation in value, and not due to any intrinsic rarity (ie the whizzed 1892-O eagle increased in % value as much as the 1891-cc eagle in AU - as said before, it's hard to beat the margin between retail and wholesale on collectables). I'd surmise that I could have made more if I hadn't bought the coins at retail originally (ie if I was a dealer), but that wouldn't have changed the outcome on the gold by that much because it's primarily bullion driven. If I had waited longer, maybe the rate of return would have improved, too, but 12 years is already a pretty good wait. If I had picked better (for instance, if I had put all the money into 1938-D walkers or 1889-cc dollars in 1995) I would have done better, too. But I could just as well have put the money into Isabella quarters or other commems and gotten nothing. And even with the best picks I would still be up against that high margin on the mid-value collectable. An 1889-cc dollar listed at $600 might wholesale at $400, and then only if a dealer happened to need it. Over 12 years the bullion coins worked pretty well I'd say. In the 12 year course, I conclude that if I do it right, the coins will hold their value against inflation but not much more. That's why it's a hobby for me, not retirement savings, and why my "earnings" got plowed right back in to new coins I liked better than the old ones.
"Two minutes ago I would have sold my chances for a tired dime." Fred Astaire
Edited by thq 07/21/2007 10:15 pm
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Valued Member
United States
406 Posts |
In the purest sense, an "investment" is something that pays REGULAR and PREDICTABLE returns. That would include CDs and some bonds. Even mutual funds and many stocks would be excluded, although you can extrapolate performance. Coins are not an investment in that sense, and if you are investing to diversify and have lots of money in those other asset classes, then that is fine. Even then, I would stick with key/semikey coins in popular collector series, as they have the best PROVEN long-term performance record. One man's opinion. 
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New Member
United States
16 Posts |
I think coins can be a good investment, but I'm in it for the adventure and the hunt, not really in it to profit.
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Valued Member
United States
259 Posts |
I'm going to give you the definitive answer to this question: MAYBE. Most will agree that U.S. coin values have increased significantly in just the last couple of years. Silver has doubled in price. Gold has almost doubled, and many say it's going much higher. So what are the dynamics pushing coin prices higher? The world is awash in liquidity right now. Will that continue? Answer me that one and I can tell you whether coin prices are likely to be going higher. I think alot of the recent run up is due to diversification out of real estate and stocks. But I see signs of a bubble. Should newly minted Presidential dollars even if MS-70 be selling for $1,000? That just seems a tad frothy IMHO. And then there's the question of whether you are thinking short term or long term. I think some of the above posters have it about right; stick with the popular series's and key dates and don't put too much of your eggs in one basket and you should do okay over time. One other theme I'll speculate on, and that is some of the emerging world economies. Think BRIC - Brazil, Russia, India and China. As their middle classes become better off, they will turn to buying their countries' coins. I've seen this already on ebay and at coin shows especially with regard to Russia and India. But investing in coins is exactly like investing in stocks - you have to do your due diligence (DD) before buying.
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