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The Coin That Should Not Be

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 Posted 01/04/2014  4:40 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Ben to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I put in a low offer for this coin and was pleasantly surprised when I went to pay for an Augustus I just purchased that the offer was accepted.

Can anyone tell me why this issue shouldnt be?

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 Posted 01/04/2014  4:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add FVRIVS RVFVS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The emperor forgot to put on his trousers ?

Perhaps something more mundane ......
The standard in upper left of reverse
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 Posted 01/04/2014  4:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ben to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nope, the standard is overwhelmingly correct. Instrumental to the issue, in fact. And he really does look like he forgot his trousers...

EDIT: Scratch that, only 1 really big issue. Looks like the mint was correct. The other issue is still silly paganism.
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 Posted 01/04/2014  4:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pishpash to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Should he be wearing his pearl wotsit?
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Nope...you'll need to delve deeper into the issue than that.
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Is it a Chi-Rho on the standard?
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 Posted 01/04/2014  5:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ben to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It is a Chi Rho on the standard. Try and work out what this coin shows and who it shows, it might help you.
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 Posted 01/04/2014  5:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pishpash to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have a headache.
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 Posted 01/04/2014  5:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ben to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ill give a helpful hint...this coin's legends are the words God spoke to Constantine in his vision directly before the Battle of the Old Milvian Bridge (this is the point at which Christianity routed itself in Rome).
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 Posted 01/04/2014  5:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Badger Mint to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Is this the Gallus issue? The rarest of the three whose names this was issued under?
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Badger mint has got it - this is Constantius Gallus, the rarest emperor to be issued this type. But why should it not be?
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 Posted 01/04/2014  6:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Masis to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Can't fathom whay the coin "should not be" as there is an example in Wild Winds.

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http://wildwinds.com/coins/ric/cons...VIII_024.txt

Rated common, though I rarely see them for sale.

Unless you are asking about why Constantius Gallus, who was never an Emperor but a Caesar, has the title "Dominus Noster"?
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Ill give you a bigger hint...look up who issued this type and when.

And common it is not, which is why I was willing to pay £10 for this example.
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Wildwinds says it is common. Headache getting worse.
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Ben's one is of Siscia, not the example I posted from Wild Winds, Sirmium.

Here is what Warren states from his site on the Siscia type:

"Constantius Gallus, for the advanced collector specialist in early Christian types.
AE2. 25-23 mm. 6:00.
HOC SIGNO VICTOR ERIS / ESIRM
This famous type was issued by Vetranio for himself, Constantius II, and Constantius Gallus.
The Gallus version is the rarest and hard to find in any shape.
As of this writing, vcoins has 11 HOC SIGNO pieces, 2 of Vetranio, 9 of Constantius II, and none are of Gallus.
RIC VIII Siscia 306.
"

http://augustusmath.hypermart.net/tetrarchy.html

Scroll to about 3/4 of the way down to read and see the photo of the example stated.
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 Posted 01/04/2014  6:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ben to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
But could Vetranio have issued this for Constantius Gallus? Indeed, could Vetranio have issued any coins from Sirmium mint? Take a look at when Vetranio was in power, and where.
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