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All three coins are mine----I sold the 599 for 65---after consulting Charlton for a lower grade layout marker.
I will get some photos up on the 1902 lot---picked them up today.
these layouts are only 4 I've seen in the past 2 years---I think Charlton is way off in his values for this variety.
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Layout marker---1858-10 cents   |
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Notice the tilted E with a tiny tail on the down stroke. The D is also doubled. These are common features also on the 20 Cent piece.
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 The STAR appears to be professionally done? |
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Is the 1858 with star 5/5 thought I seen that in the auction pic that's what first caught my eye.
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No such animal as a "die Marker" on the 1858 coinage. These are known as dropped or misplaced letters. Very commom on 19th century US coinage. The so called " die marker" is a blundered or misplaced letter "I". |
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Why did Charlton use that description?
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Charlton uses the description as a " layout marker".
Charlton goes on to say----
These layout markers are used on the matrix for centering the gang punches for the legend's letters. Normally they are removed from the matrix by polishing.end quote.
I cannot make sense of the polishing work.
Regarding the 5/5 variety Charlton says it is catalog #6 variety and the layout variety is catalog. # 15.
Catalog #15 pictures sure look like a #6-----and it was that , that caught my eye as well.
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All markers I've seen are in the exact same place---therefore must be on a negative matrix---therefore cannot be polished out. The matrix cavity must be filled in to eliminate the marker. Explanation is needed.
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Charlton states this in the 2013 catalogue pg 43, "usually identified as a blundered "I" this position marker does not have the correct shape to fit the description of a blundered"I""
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Sure does ............... you are NOT looking close enough. If you need a good clear idea as to how blundered numbers and letters happen..........a good reference book is " Cherry Pickers Guide to rare die varieties of United States coins" Fivaz / Stanton. The fundamentals are all the same whether a Canadian Provincial, US , or world coin. |
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Pacificoin is right, Charlton's is wrong. It's a blundered I. There were no see-thru gang punches used.
"Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
-from PCGS website
Edited by DBM
07/22/2014 11:10 pm
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Ahhh! Looks as if we different views amongst the experts---It would be nice to have pictures of some USA blunders.
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Buy the great reference book I mentioned earlier. It is quite easily ordered through Amazon or available on ebay. Even available from some major coin supplies stores. |
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