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 Posted 10/29/2014  9:21 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add tobyatnac77 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I have posted a couple of threads earlier and originally and had gotten some response, but have had problems learning how to navigate the forum. This is what I believe to be the cornerstone of a coin collection that I have inherited. I have no knowledge and am seeking advice. I am trying to post photos of the coin.







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 Posted 10/30/2014  1:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Judd-145 Gold Dollar pattern coin. Um, yeah, if real it's the cornerstone of a collection.

This coin was part of an exploration by the Mint to seek a Gold Dollar which was larger than the tiny circulating coin. Didn't pan out, because the ejection mechanisms on the Mint presses had trouble handling the open center. There are maybe 35 or so of these known in all metals - they were struck in silver and copper as well - and many were restrikes from years after the 1852 date. The gold examples had both thin and thick planchets, either 25 or 32 grains, which don't differ in value.

The label you show was originated by the collector/dealer who owned the coin. The grade - Proof-63 - is therefore subjective on the part of that person and isn't necessarily accurate. This coin absolutely needs to be authenticated and encapsulated by one of the reputable third-party graders, because if undamaged you can assume its' value to reach well into five figures.
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The reverse side of the label and the invoice, I believe indicate that the coin was bought in 1977 from I think the name of Robert C. Hughes; (but I am not certain that is correct), in Beverly Hills CA., and cost $5,000. The collection is in a vault in multiple S/D boxes. Due to my lack of coin knowlewdge I am trying to find out if there are reputable coin dealers in the Dallas / Ft Worth area and how I should procede with determining value of the entire collection. I appreciate any help I might be afforded.
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 Posted 10/30/2014  4:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Due to my lack of coin knowlewdge I am trying to find out if there are reputable coin dealers in the Dallas / Ft Worth area and how I should procede with determining value of the entire collection. I appreciate any help I might be afforded.


We can help. Does an inventory of the collection exist, that we might know denominations/dates/mint marks? As you understand, differing issues vary greatly in value by scarcity and condition. The appropriate place to liquidate this coin - a major, advertised coin auction - isn't necessarily the place to move the lesser-value pieces in the collection.

A dealer, understandably, would want compensation to look over and price a large collection. If you can supply us with enough information, we can do that for free.
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I am trying to find out if there are reputable coin dealers in the Dallas / Ft Worth area

Nice location, that just happens to be the home of Heritage Auctions- the largest numismatic auction house in the world. If you have more coins of a similar value to this pattern(4-5 figures), Heritage would definitely be interested in your consignment.
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 Posted 10/30/2014  5:57 pm  Show Profile   Check CoinCollector2000's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add CoinCollector2000 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Woah, that is quite an inheritance!
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 Posted 10/30/2014  6:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tobyatnac77 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
We did an inventory of the coins and medals, it is 13 hand written pages. I will try and photograph a couple of pages and see if that will work. If that doesn't work I will have them scanned and try and post them that way.

Some of the silver dollars: 1 page

1879-p gem bu
1880-p frosty g-bu
1882-o gem bu
1884-p gem bu
1895-o xf 45
1892-s xf 40
1922 peace bu 65
1887-p morgan bu 65
1879-cc morgan xf
1892-cc xf there are 2 of them
1889-cc xf+
10 rolls (20 coins each) Eisenhower silver dollars
1 roll (20 coins) 1904-o silver dollars ms 65

loose silver dollars:

1889
1890 (3 ea)
1886
1923 (4 ea)
1921 (2 ea)
1922 (5 ea)
1881 (2 ea)
1891
1883 (3 ea)
1885 (3 ea)
1900 (2 ea)
1880
1901
1896
1878
1884

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 Posted 10/30/2014  6:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Nice location, that just happens to be the home of Heritage Auctions- the largest numismatic auction house in the world. If you have more coins of a similar value to this pattern(4-5 figures), Heritage would definitely be interested in your consignment.


I had Heritage in mind, but they're inappropriate for the lesser pieces in the collection. The OP coin is definitely Heritage material.
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SsuperDdaye, is the OP coin the J-145?
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 Posted 10/30/2014  9:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, "OP" being an acronym for Original Post or Original Poster.

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 Posted 10/30/2014  9:12 pm  Show Profile   Check Moe145's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Moe145 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
THIS is the reason I'm a long-term member on this Forum.


Man, I LOVE this stuff!!
Links to ALL previous "Days of..." Threads:
http://goccf.com/t/108352#108352
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 Posted 10/30/2014  9:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Necer149 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Amazing inheritance. Although I do not specialize in this 1852 gold coin, I can give you a little info about your silver dollars. With that roll of 1904 O MS 65, each coin is worth a little under $200.

The 1895 O in XF45 is worth $650+, in XF40 it is worth around $550.

1892 S in XF40 is worth around $330.

All of your 'CC' Morgan dollars are going to be worth a lot of money, with that 1889 being the star of them all, since there were only 350,000 minted. In that condition your 1889 CC is worth 3500+.

Any 1921 Peace dollars are also going to be worth a lot depending on the grade.


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 Posted 10/30/2014  9:41 pm  Show Profile   Check CoinCollector2000's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add CoinCollector2000 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Just remember, never clean them. You can take a 3500+ dollar coin and flush it down the toilet in a few swipes of a cleaning agent. Keep them as they are, and get most graded.
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 Posted 10/31/2014  12:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tobyatnac77 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for all help folks, I will try and post some more of the silver dollars tomorrow. I am getting excited.
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 Posted 11/01/2014  11:06 am  Show Profile   Check Moe145's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Moe145 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Just a reference for all:

eBay auction: 201175114181

Links to ALL previous "Days of..." Threads:
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 Posted 11/01/2014  11:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dave700x to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I am getting excited.


As are we. to CCF.
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