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Walking Back In Time From 1600 To Antiquity By Decades. Looking For 480s

 
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 Posted 07/01/2019  4:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add january1may to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
On the Valkash drachm:


As for the Odoacer coin, it's really nice, but to progress the thread past the 470s we need a coin with a shorter range.

I think some members here used to have a Zenonis monogram, but I'm not sure if any of them still have that. Supposedly Ben sold his example back in 2015 or so.

I don't suppose anyone's got a Basiliscus?
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 Posted 07/01/2019  7:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Good point @j1m. we are looking for coins which if not dated, then were first minted in the decade of the 470s but were not minted for more than 10 years (i.e. 476-486 AD would count).
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 Posted 07/01/2019  9:15 pm  Show Profile   Check VisigothKing's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add VisigothKing to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Whoops, sorry! Didn't notice that part of the rules. Then I don't have anything that would work.
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 Posted 07/01/2019  9:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I know your struggle @VK--the 5th century is pretty much a giant hole in my collection. The three coins that I currently have in my collection which definitively date to this time period are only more than the number of coins date-able to the 5th and 6th Centuries BC for me.

I think that we may be in for a long slog with this effort.
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 Posted 07/09/2019  6:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tzetz13 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Two birds with one stone?

460s
470s

Anthemius 467-472

0.62g / no diameter in the listing



Unfortunately I did now win this one...
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 Posted 07/09/2019  7:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@tzetz13, that is a great coin! By the rules of this thread, it will count for the decade of the 460s. Please post it as soon someone posts a coin minted in the 470s. Thx!
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 Posted 07/17/2019  1:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Finn235 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There are actually plenty of coins attributable to the 470s, but none are cheap or easy to score. Probably the easiest would be Basiliscus or his wife Zenonis... I know that Ben has posted a Zenonis before... maybe he still has it?
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 Posted 07/17/2019  4:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I know that Ben has posted a Zenonis before... maybe he still has it?
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 Posted 08/09/2019  9:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
While we are waiting on a coin from the decade of the 470s, here is another Drachm of Valkash that I think dates to AD 484-488:




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Apologies everyone, I rarely read this thread as it has always been too recent for my collection, but it seems I should have been keeping an eye on it! I did keep my Zenonis, as it happens, but I no longer own a camera capable of taking a good picture of it, so this smudgy photo will have to do.

The coins of Zenonis are much more common than those of Basiliscus - I suspect it is because they are so similar to the coins of Zeno. Basiliscus usurped the throne from Zeno and kicked him out of Constantinople. He was able to do this due to support he held as a member of the imperial dynasty of Leo, while Zeno was seen as a barbarian (and was broadly unpopular anyway). However, Basiliscus proved a poor leader and he only held Constantinople for 20 months before Zeno was able to retake it. He was sent, along with his wife Zenonis and his son Marcus, to Cappadocia where they were all walled into a cistern to die.

While this was all happening, Odovacar was able to depose Romulus Augustus, emperor in the west. With the Eastern empire in turmoil, Zeno was unable to respond in force and so, after more than 1000 years, the Roman empire fell. Rome would be held by the 'Roman Empire' again, briefly, in the 6th century, but from this point on, I consider the east to be Byzantine.

Zenonis, 475-476AD:


I would also like to submit, though late, a coin that may or may not be securely dated to the 480s. I don't think the attribution is solid enough to count for the purposes of this thread, but a scarce few 'Leo' monograms turn up with a clear T built in and some attribute this to Leontius, a usurper against Zeno (second reign). This is supported by very minimal hoard evidence, but there are no examples I know of with a clear obverse legend.

Leontius, 488AD (maybe):
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 Posted 08/11/2019  03:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Palouche to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Great coin Ben! Worth some fruit.....And a nice little write up I learnt something today...

@ Spence....Nice coin too! Looks to be in nicer condition than mine but the photo is a bit glary
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Nice work @ben and now we can move back to the decade of the 460s! I'm hoping that @tzetz13 is still around to re-post that Anthemius.

As to my picture-taking capabilities, yes I still struggle with shiny silver. Perhaps it is time to upgrade my camera set-up...
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