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 Posted 02/26/2015  10:56 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add AT214 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
What is the best way to tell the difference in a die crack and a PMD crack? Any secrets to this?
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 Posted 02/26/2015  11:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add matthewvincent to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A die crack creates a raised bit of metal on a coin. The metal 'flows' into the die.
How can raised metal be duplicated after minting? I do not know.
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 Posted 02/26/2015  11:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A die crack happens on the die (Negative) and shows on a coin raised from the surface. (Positive)
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The raise up more on the coin called chips when more of the die crumbles away like you see on the 12 column on this image.

A PMD/PSD coin will be incuse on the coin (damage)
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On this coin a bag mark made an incuse mark into the coins surface.
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This was a scratch into the coin surface. Note the nick on the rim.
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 Posted 02/26/2015  11:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add matthewvincent to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Negative? Positive? Sounds like a photographer wrote this!
Great explanation Coop.
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 Posted 02/26/2015  11:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add AT214 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
can any coin have die cracks or is this just the pennies?
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 Posted 02/26/2015  11:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
All suffer the same events. I've seen from 1-9 different die cracks on a coin.
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 Posted 02/26/2015  11:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add AT214 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
oh that is cool :)
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I just don't have any images on my image host right now. (almost 4,000 images and not one other than cents.)
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 Posted 02/26/2015  12:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add matthewvincent to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here is a 1799 Dollar with a major die crack:
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 Posted 02/26/2015  12:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That is a nice one! All the way across. SWEET!
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 Posted 02/26/2015  12:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add AT214 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
ohhh wow that is so nice! lucky
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 Posted 02/26/2015  12:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wouldn't that 1799 coin be best described as a broken die and not a die crack?
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 Posted 02/26/2015  1:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add matthewvincent to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Some time ago another CCF member had a similar example. I found this to compare.
I would ask, "Is a broken die the inevitable outcome of a cracked die being used until it breaks?"
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 Posted 02/26/2015  8:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It might be a Retained Cud. Note the miss alignment. Nice find.
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Disclosure: I 'found' this 1799 example by searching auctions on the Internet and not by a purchase.
BUT, it has clued me to notice striking anomalies on coinage.
One good thing about Charlie Barber's design is that it had few problems.
I did find a nice 1896-S dime with die chips:
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Any comments Coop?
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 Posted 02/26/2015  9:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Silverworld11 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@AT214,nice you are learning more today,good to see. Looks like your really getting in to this.
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