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Royal Canadian Mint Cancels $200 For $200 Face Value Coins For 2016

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 Posted 06/02/2016  6:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wildflowerAB to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Possible I guess. I just haven't seen any x for x counterfeits being reported here or anywhere else. Maybe they exist and I've just missed them. Or maybe they are about to surface in big numbers. Dunno.


Counterfeiting/fraud is rarely reported while it's ongoing. When Canada converted to polymer notes I think it's fair to say most Canadians had no idea counterfeiting of Canadian banknotes was so rampant. According to what was most often published by the media, it was mainly US cash to be concerned about.

Yet at the time, cointerfeiting of Canadain banknotes was a huge issue:

Funny money: How counterfeiting led to a major overhaul of Canada's money
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/repo...32/?page=all
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 Posted 06/02/2016  8:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SolarPenny to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have seen the $100 eagle counterfeit, I can only assume the others exist as well.

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/2014-100-Can...5?nav=SEARCH
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 Posted 06/02/2016  9:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wildflowerAB to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks SolarPenny, first I've noticed on ebay. Sknotes is a seller worth watching out for so it can get reported by our resident gatekeepers. I notice past sales of fake Cdn 2015 Bison and Grey Wolf coins as well, no time wasted:-(
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 Posted 06/02/2016  9:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add john100 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Kind of common sense that the counterfeiters will be creating x for x coins, even easier to pass off with no coa. These types of fakes might wake up the RCM and get their rear end moving on this issue once it starts costing them with fake redeamings.
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06/02/2016 9:46 pm
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 Posted 06/02/2016  11:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wildflowerAB to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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These types of fakes might wake up the RCM and get their rear end moving on this issue once it starts costing them with fake redeamings.


But RCM does not incur the direct cost of fake redemptions. I'm quite certain any that are not legitimate are refused and returned to the bank that initially submitted them. That's why not all banks will cash them, some have limits on max amounts, others hold funds. It's also the reason RCM pays a fee to banks and how banks justify the risk of redeeming them (considering their employees are neither numismatics nor collector coin fraud detectors.)

But RCM still would be aware of the issue every time they refuse to reimburse. As well police reports would be filled and RCM remains in the centre of it all. The public isn't fond of Crown Corps who aid and abet criminals so both groups can profit.

What might RCM do to mitigate XforX counterfeits? The first step, depending how great the counterfeit problem, seems to would be logical to quit making more of them.
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06/02/2016 11:14 pm
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 Posted 06/03/2016  8:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JGG to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The problem would be that the $18 silver plated fakes could be deposited as real $200 for $200 coins at foreign institutions or money-changers. Maybe a few dozen fakes turned up in a foreign lender's tills. That might be reason enough for the RCM to scrap it.
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 Posted 06/03/2016  9:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add canadian_coins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Really disappointing. I guess that puts an end to my collection.

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 Posted 06/03/2016  9:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinCanuck94 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The Towering Forests $200 for $200 was by far the best looking one! I didn't bother to buy the other two.
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 Posted 06/03/2016  9:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add New1954 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@CoinCanuck94

I agree "The Towering Forest" 200/200 FV coins are the best.

Rugged Mountains and Coastal Waters were not as nice but I still bought them. I am keeping all three.
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 Posted 06/03/2016  9:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add justsilver to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
My collection on $200 for $200.

Agreed first $200 Towering Forest is the best.
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06/04/2016 12:19 am
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Wow @justsilver. That is quite a few there. I took a big step today and only kept two of each and exchanged the extras at the bank today and only kept one each of the 100/100 (8 in series).

Also, did the same with my 50/50 series. Kept only 2 of each. My 20/20 I kept only 2 of each because of the boxes RCM sold to put the series in.

I kept my 8 T-Rex, my 8 Superman, my 8 looney tunes, my 8 batman v superman and my 5 Star Trek. The rest all exchanged today. This will pay for my 2 gold Star Trek emblems.

Do not know if I made the right move; however, I don't want to keep that many right now.
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 Posted 06/03/2016  10:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add New1954 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@justsilver, if I had more of the towering forest 200/200, I would not sell those. I only bought two of those. I was stupid. Yet, I bought many more of the others.

When I was in the bank today, all the staff came over to ooh and aah over the coins. Some clients in the bank bought some of the coins I was exchanging. Could not believe it.


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06/03/2016 10:16 pm
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 Posted 06/03/2016  10:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add justsilver to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@new1954

i collect coins that I like. And as many as I can afford.

Mostly first coin of a popular serie.

Perth Mint's 2oz Zeus Silver Coin is one of the example.

p.s. I deposited most of my $20 for $20 in the bank except $20 Maple & $20 Canoe.
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06/04/2016 12:19 am
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 Posted 06/04/2016  01:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Silveroid to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I really like the Towering Forests - masterpiece, imo.

That's why from all "big" XforX, deposited this coin last (have still 10 first 20for20).
$200 is big money, and I didn't want to think about possibility, that $200 might turn into 2oz silver, if the banks will stop to take them for FV...

Congrat's to people who keeping them in the collections!
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 Posted 06/05/2016  11:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Proof Nut to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This was a nice series and the first coin the best.

Collectors are getting shafted again but you can't blame the Mint for trying to cut their losses, especially if the redemption rate is high or counterfeits are running rampant.

At the end of the day I think when money is tight and you have to sell part of your collection and you want to get back your entire investment quickly it's going to be the high denomination FV coins.
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06/05/2016 11:44 am
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