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 Posted 09/19/2016  1:32 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add kajakate to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
All: Thank you for taking the time to look at this item. Please let me know if you have any information on this. If I need to take pictures at different angles please let me know. The coin or item looks old, is thick and very hard to see, however, I do not know what it is. Any insight would be wonderful. Thank you in advance.

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From the looks of it I believe it might be an ancient Roman Provincial coin. Can you provide a size and weight of it? There isn't enough detail for me to ID it.

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Thank you for the warm welcome Echizento. The coin is approximately 22mm and 3mm wide. I will weigh it shortly and get back to you.
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My gut says Elagabalus, if it is a provincial. I have never seen such a thick bronze (relative to diameter) produced so late, however.
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 Posted 09/19/2016  2:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Steve, I agree usually we don't see Roman type coins this thick.
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Alexandrian tets are usually pretty thick.
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It weights approximately 1 oz.
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 Posted 09/19/2016  7:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That's over 31 grams, that's very heavy for such a small coin.
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Tough one that's for sure, after staring at it for a while I am thinking Severus Alexander or Gordian iii from the portrait style.
The weight is not what I would expect but you never know what will turn up.
Possibly Colonial, just wish there was more detail on the reverse.
It looks to me like either a horse grazing or a She wolf & twins but it is late and I am tired
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This coin cannot be one ounce.
From the pics I am seeing what ?
18-20mm ?
It would need to made of plutonium to weigh an ounce.

An accurate measurement is essential to figure this coin out.
But an Alexandrian tet is probably over 90% certain.

Edit
I just saw the 22mm x 3mm spec
This is a tet
I will guess around 12-13 grams
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I agree it's most likely a tet, but two things do not add up for it to be and Alexandrian Tet. First they are made of Potin this one appears to be bronze. The Potin coins appear lighter in color. Next I don't know of any Alexandrian tets that have a legend around the edge on the reverse. This coin appears to have one.

One from my collection.

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100% with you FR & Rons comment about the reverse legend is making me lean more towards a Colonial issue.
The She wolf & twins is my thoughts right now but I need a bit more time to dive in and have another look.
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I also had first impression of 'she wolf'.
I am wondering if I am also seeing a helmeted bust of Roma ?

Could this be one of those 6th century 'nostalgia' types minted by Theodoric in Rome ?
Possibly overstruck on a late Alexandrian piece ?
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I've enhanced the image a bit and to me the reverse does look like a she wolf suckling.



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 Posted 09/20/2016  7:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kajakate to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you all. I am working on a more accurate measurement and weight for you all. Thank you for your patience and input.
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Been swamped at work and am a little behind on the threads this week.

Thought I'd chime in on this one since, for me, it's an interesting case study of how different folks can see different things when looking at the same fairly nondescript, worn imagery on a coin.

Seems most of the gang immediately gravitated toward a thick Provincial with portrait obverse. And you guys are very likely right. I can certainly see the portrait you're seeing.

However, my first thought, prior to reading the responses, was South Asian, maybe Indian (especially given the coin's thickness), with left-facing elephant head, sort of like these (OP coin is at left):
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It probably is a portrait, as everyone believes...but I do remain perplexed by the trunk-like line at lower left. Diadem end? Laurel wreath ties? Is there a precedent for ties with such length, thickness, and curvature?

As for the reverse: if it's a she-wolf, and assuming I'm "seeing" her as you all do, then doesn't she have a disjointed hind leg? It's bent to the right (outward) from the mid-leg joint, instead of inward as it should be. (I'm assuming here that folks are seeing the hind quarter with rear leg and tail to right...but perhaps I'm wrong about that?)

As I say, you all are probably on the right track as usual. But it is fascinating to me how interpretations can differ when imagery is ambiguous.


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