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Help Identifying 1959-60 D LMC Errors(?)

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I came across these and wondered if anyone knows what may have caused this.



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Reverse pics please. Could be a struck through error.
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I agree. It is a struck through grease/debris/oil/water or something else. Hard to positively ID it for sure. But it happened during the strike.
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Here are the reverse pics. The 60s are on the same sides as the obverse pic.



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All look like strike throughs to me!! Nice
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I disagree with the strike through.
The 9 of the date has been moved from it's original position on the first coin pictured.


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The other two just don't look right to me either, but I can't say for sure what it is yet.
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If it were a strike through, would you expect the numbers or mint mark to be missing or weak? On the '59 the only abnormally weak element is the '9', the rest looks normal enough even though the area in question surrounds all of it.
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Here is an image of where a laminated piece fell away after the strike. Not sure if that is the same or not yet.


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cwb, that looks very similar. If it helps, I have two more 1960-d's with slight indication in this direction. Since they're all from the same collection, I'm led to believe that the '60s were all the from the same mint roll with each getting successively worse.

If that's the case, I don't see a lamination error occuring in the exact same spot across the four getting slowly worse.

I'll post pics of the other two in line with the 60s already seen.
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The first two 1960-D coins you have already posted images of look like they are from the same die. Post the others if you have more.
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If that's the case, I don't see a lamination error occuring in the exact same spot across the four getting slowly worse.

You're right, a lamination would be unique. The 1960-D cents are definitely not lamination errors.
Since you have four of them, most likely from the same die, they must be struck through something. It will be interesting to see the others and see if they show the same die scratches as these two.
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Here are the four 1960-D's in order from least to most severe (the last two having already been posted but new pics).



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It will be interesting to see the others and see if they show the same die scratches as these two.


Here is a close up of what I believe you are referring to (from the third pic). I can see evidence of these exact lines on all four examples.

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In these latest images, the 9 of the date doesn't look moved as it did in the first photos.

I think they were struck through a chunk of debris that stuck to the die and as more coins were struck, it flattened out until it was eventually no longer noticeable.

If that is the case, you have them pictured in reverse order. Maybe someone with more knowledge of the striking process can shed a better light on it.
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@cwb I think you're right, the deepest impression is the most contained. You can see that it spread between the fourth and third pic but left a shallower trough. That makes a lot more sense, I didn't think it through enough.
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What is the weight of you coin? If it is under a bit, I would think lamination. But if it is normal, it might be a struck through error with a partial amount of grease in the die. What made me think of that is the area above the date. In the next to last image, the die scratches appear to be filled in with perhaps grease. (next to last image) So depending on the weight of the coin, you will have your answer. Light, Lamination. Normal, Struck Through Grease error.
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spruett001 I sent you an email regarding these photos.
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