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1760 Voce Populi Nelson 5 and 16  
 

 
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 Posted 07/14/2017  11:37 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Sheldon Overton Baby to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
What is the story on the Nelson-5 and anybody have pictures of the Nelson-16?
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 Posted 07/15/2017  12:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MikeF to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Good god. I had to google it. The only thing I can say is that I have yet to see one come up for auction. Or atleast I haven't noticed one. Perhaps because that is one butt ugly dude on the obverse. Kind of like the Hibernia issues.

Edit: I should say I'm not sure if we have any colonial specialists. I've dabbled into them but that's where my expertise ends.
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07/15/2017 12:52 am
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 Posted 07/15/2017  01:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sheldon Overton Baby to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not sure the story on why Nelson-5 may (probably?) does not exist but love to know the story.

I can find pictures of the Nelson-17 but none of the Nelson-16.
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 Posted 07/15/2017  08:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Possibly for the same reason certain variety numbers are missing in other series. Either it was a mis-described piece, or as in the case of some late date large cent varieties it turns out to be die stage of a different variety. In either case no example that matches the variety description is known.
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 Posted 07/15/2017  11:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sheldon Overton Baby to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@Condor101 I would assume that to be correct but it may be like the 1825 N-5 in which it is a known obverse and reverse pair that has put in the literature but no known pieces are verified.

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 Posted 07/16/2017  04:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
In that case like the 25 N-5 one may eventually turn up.
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 Posted 07/16/2017  09:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NH collector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
According to Vlack, certain varieties were struck in silver, although none were known as of 1965. Perhaps the NV-5 was struck in silver, and later melted.
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 Posted 07/17/2017  02:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sheldon Overton Baby to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If anybody has the literature curious to know if anything out there on it. @NH collector could be right just odd an off-metal pattern would get a separate designation.

Any pictures out there of the rare Nelson-16?
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 Posted 07/17/2017  12:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kidrootbeer to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
uhhhhh guys: the 25N5 has been found (a few of them)

https://coins.ha.com/itm/large-cent...bnail-071515
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07/17/2017 12:25 pm
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 Posted 07/17/2017  3:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
As I said in my last post "In that case like the 25 N-5 one may eventually turn up."

I think there are four or five of them now. Makes you wonder why. They were listed in 1882 and 1883 and not a singe specimen was found between then and 1944 when Newcomb listed it on the strength of Andrew's description. Then was finally delisted around 1982 because not a single one had been found for 100 years. Then Tom Deck finds one and suddenly three or four more show up.. It isn't a hard variety to identify, so why, with so many copper specialists out there, did it take so long to find them? My guess is that after being told that no specimen of N-5 had been seen, when they attributed 1825's once either the N-4 obv, or the N-10 rev was identified they stopped looking and assumed it was that variety. Once Deck found one, people started looking at both sides.
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07/17/2017 3:31 pm
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 Posted 07/17/2017  10:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sheldon Overton Baby to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
What kills me is I can get a picture of the rarer Nelson-17 but can't find a single picture of Nelson-16 anywhere.
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