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 Posted 09/13/2017  1:12 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
It is a truism in American professional sports that, during the new player draft, when there is no good fit available for your greatest need you draft the best athlete still available and figure out how to fit that person into your team. So it is here. I already own a 1917, cracked from an ICCS MS62 Lustrous Brown flip, and both ends of that designation are fair. It's a nice coin, and I like it a lot.

But this? This, you buy when you see it whether you "need" it or not. Below is depicted as perfectly-preserved - luster aside - a coin as I have ever owned. I agonized for a week until the money became available, praying that no one else would purchase it. I was fortunate.

The lack of luster is insignificant to me. I've always felt that Red copper has somehow "cheated death" or been treated in some way, and I do not trust it in the long term. It's my opinion that MS66 is the floor for this one. Half an hour ago, my trusty friend Mr. Dremel and I freed it from the NGC slab in which it resided, and I doubt you would believe the grade NGC offered it.



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 Posted 09/13/2017  1:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That is a BU-T-FULL coin.
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 Posted 09/13/2017  1:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mark1959 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That's an amazing looking Canadian cent!
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 Posted 09/13/2017  1:52 pm  Show Profile   Check Crazyb0's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Crazyb0 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wow! The Canadian's actually made them that good?



Have never seen one with that well struck on both sides!


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 Posted 09/13/2017  2:40 pm  Show Profile   Check Pokermandude's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Pokermandude to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
64 or an outside shot at 65 by PCGS/NGC. Strike isn't quite full enough for Gem or better. Still a pretty coin.
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 Posted 09/13/2017  3:13 pm  Show Profile   Check Pacificoin's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Pacificoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Rim issues at 2 and 10 on the Reverse that are minute . A typical strike for 1917-18 and not much Glossy "POP" .
Agree with PM a 64 .
Dave .... these come Well Struck and spectacular often enough that a MS65 Red or Red Brown is usually available in the marketplace .
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 Posted 09/13/2017  3:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Alan to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'd take that over a bright red, beautiful lustrous,brown. Thanks for showing.
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 Posted 09/13/2017  3:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am impressed. That is one beautiful piece of copper!
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 Posted 09/13/2017  4:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add okiecoiner to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would wait for something that comes along that is more fully struck or (if fully struck)doesn't show the tiniest bit of wear on the vertical jewels on the crown, the eyebrow,and the shoulder bow on the obverse. The deepest parts of the reverse design (the lobe tips) are either weakly struck or show the tiniest bit of wear. All of the Geo large cents were struck in the multimillions and many are available in the mid-60's grade. I don't think that this '17 will even make 63, most probably lower. It's still a very nice coin .. I'm not being snippy .. only honest.
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 Posted 09/13/2017  4:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add moxking to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You loved it. You bought it. I love it. Nuff said.
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 Posted 09/13/2017  4:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Fantastic example!
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 Posted 09/13/2017  5:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dave700x to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wonderful example!
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 Posted 09/13/2017  6:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Dave .... these come Well Struck and spectacular often enough that a MS65 Red or Red Brown is usually available in the marketplace .


Thank you for the issue-specific information; it's one of the reasons I posted this.

I bought it because in a solid year of looking at every single LC offered on eBay and everywhere else I could find them - including yours, Pacificoin, we're going to do business some day - this is the single nicest example I've found, including some in ICCS MS66 flips. And these LC's do not "show" well in high grade; very few are without distracting spots and variances in shade even (especially) if designated "Red."

It wouldn't be that special to me if they were so easy to find.
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 Posted 09/13/2017  7:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add doubleeagle59 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Technically, it does look like a 66 or 67.

However, because of the brown color of the coin and lack of luster, probably at best, an ICCS ms63 brown and a PCGS ms65 brown.
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 Posted 09/13/2017  7:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DEVLEC to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
One of the prettiest cents that I've seen here. The fields are perfect to me..

If only it had a small splash of red hiding in the nooks and crannies..because you don't need "Red" when they come this pretty..

Thanks for posting it..

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 Posted 09/13/2017  9:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Now, for a small lesson in the enormous effect lighting has on the appearance of a coin.

Background: I shoot in RAW, which is a mode that takes essentially the raw uncorrected sensor data from the camera, and bypasses the camera's internal processing completely in favor of doing that processing with the much more powerful home computer. I do my color corrections manually, using another image which doesn't get posted that includes a pure white flat object in the image field. I determine color correction by altering the White Balance until that object is of the same color as it appears to my eyes. The resulting coin image will be as color-correct as possible.

The images above were shot using two Jansjo LED lamps from Ikea, the "weapon of choice" for many coin photographers. They bring out detail very well but are not so good at accurate representation of surface hue and continuity. The new set below was shot with a single GE Reveal full-spectrum incandescent bulb. Both were color corrected using the same procedure. Further, I am very deliberately posting them much smaller than the half-original size of the above pair, to lessen the subjective impact of such large images on observers who aren't experienced with the evaluation of very high-resolution imagery.

Almost looks like a different coin, doesn't it?



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