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1836 Capped Bust Half -- Cleaned?

 
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 Posted 01/09/2018  2:44 pm  Show Profile   Check SPP-Ottawa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add SPP-Ottawa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Coinhistory,

Do you have the coin in hand yet? This point was already mentioned, and I think it is so very important, but highly understated.


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It should be noted, though, that pictures often highlight these lines and make them look worse than they do in hand. Be careful, though, because the opposite is also true and some online sellers intentionally manipulate photos to hide such problems.


This is so true. Photos can bring out the absolute worst in a coin, and it can bring out the absolute best in a coin... when you have the coin in hand, please let us know...
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 Posted 01/09/2018  9:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinhistory to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
No, I have not received the coin yet. Still on its way. I don't like the idea of it being cleaned because some of its history has been erased.
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 Posted 01/10/2018  01:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MikeF to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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No, I have not received the coin yet. Still on its way. I don't like the idea of it being cleaned because some of its history has been erased.



Well at least you got to witness a first class debate. Sorry if it strayed from your original subject but that discussion needed to be had. One of great benefits of CCF is that we are able engage in important dialog that isn't censored by the admins.
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 Posted 01/13/2018  9:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinhistory to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I received the coin today. Here are some pictures.

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 Posted 01/13/2018  10:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MikeF to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would send it back. That is NOT the look of an original XF-45 coin. You can do much better than that. Again, PCGS has deemed it to be 'market acceptable'. Just because they did doesn't mean you have to. It has the details of an AU coin so they probably docked it a grade or two for the cleaning. Vote with your wallet.
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 Posted 01/14/2018  12:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jon Brand to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Is it me or is the shape of the nose and bust strange? I see the same issue both in the seller and the ops picture. Slab looks legit but coin looks more then a little weird to me. Maybe I'm just tired and delirious because the more experienced folks here would have noticed in a second and said something.
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 Posted 01/14/2018  10:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SilverDollar2017 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Is it me or is the shape of the nose and bust strange? I see the same issue both in the seller and the ops picture. Slab looks legit but coin looks more then a little weird to me. Maybe I'm just tired and delirious because the more experienced folks here would have noticed in a second and said something.


I don't see any problems, in the second pic it looks like the light was reflecting off the coin.
Nevertheless, send this coin back immediately. It is definitely NOT original, uncleaned.
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 Posted 01/14/2018  11:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chesterb to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yep cleaned coin. I'm curious why you bought it coinhistory? Was it at a discounted price or did something else attract you to it?
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 Posted 01/23/2018  1:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TypeCoin971793 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Believe whatever you want. The facts are the facts and this has been proven true hundreds of times for decades now.


I have talked with several (honest) dealers about this, and I firmly believe that there is no way that a grader can know who owns what coin. The coins are handed to the graders without any form of identification. Just order numbers to keep the coins together. They can certainly make inferences based on the size of the submission or the coins involved, but there is no way to tell for certain. Keep in mind that I do not like the TPGs, yet I defend them in this case.

The only time I can think of when a specific lot of coins was overgraded across the board was when NGC graded the Stacks' 57th Street hoard. I've found coins in those slabs to be around 10 points high.

I have gotten overly generous grades before, so it is not just a major dealer thing.
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