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Help identifying Umayyad/Abbasid (?) fals  
 

 
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 Posted 02/12/2018  08:25 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add opeff to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hello,
Can someone please help me identify this fals? I think it's Umayyad but I'm not sure. Any information will be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.



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 Posted 02/12/2018  09:13 am  Show Profile   Check coinworldtv's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add coinworldtv to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Good luck on that one :)
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 Posted 02/12/2018  12:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Seeker55 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply


You might be able to match a photo by searching the Zeno databased, http://search.zeno.ru
By using the extended search, specifying the metal and putting in the appropriate weight and size ranges you can pull up photos of possible matches.
Your coin is in decent legible shape, so I think your chances of finding a match are very good. Good luck!
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Sorry I'm not very good with these, hopefully one of the others will be able to ID it for you.
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 Posted 02/12/2018  9:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Matt2727 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Both sides of the coin have inscriptions from the Koran honoring God and Muhammad. The obverse should have a year on it (in AH) so if you find someone who can read Arabic they can tell you the exact caliph.

Are you sure its copper and not just darkly toned? The inscriptions seem similar to those of a dirham, not the more crudely struck fals.
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Inscriptions seem similar.
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Also, to answer your original question, yes it is indeed of the Umayyad Caliphate.
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 Posted 02/13/2018  05:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add opeff to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
First of all, I wish to thank you all for your helpfullness. I read arabic but I'm just used to printed text, so it's really difficult to me to decipher these inscriptions. By comparison with the fals kept at Zeno Database (I'm pretty sure that's copper) I tried to decipher it. I hope it's not just a bunch of wishful suppositions, and I'll be very glad if someone more expert than me and/or an Arabic mother tongue speaker could help.

The reverse should say
"La Illah Illa
Allah wahdahu
la sharikahu"
which means "There is no god but Allah, alone, without partner", pretty commonly found in different Umayyad and Abbasid fals.
The obverse should say:
"Mimma amara bihi(?)
al-Mahdi Muhammad
Amir al-mu'minin
billah(?)"
Which means "By what was ordered by al-Mahdi Muhammad, commander of the faithful, by God". I'm not really sure about this interpretation. For a comparison, this face looks similar to the obverse of this coin https://www.zeno.ru/showphoto.php?photo=50109
I can't see a date or mint (maybe it was on the circular margin, which seems to be worn) but, if my interpretation is right, it should have been struck during the caliphate of al-Mahdi (775-785). Thanks a lot! Waiting for some feedback in this fun quest!

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