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 Posted 06/13/2018  01:06 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add hadleydog to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Grade, thoughts and opinions welcome.



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 Posted 06/13/2018  01:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add numismatic student to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
i enlarged the pictures as much as I could and the surfaces look more polished than lustrous.
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 Posted 06/13/2018  01:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SilverDollar2017 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Better pics with more light needed. Looks cleaned but I want to see better pics to confirm that.
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 Posted 06/13/2018  01:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MikeF to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'll put it like this: the pictures aren't revealing enough to judge surface originality. But if this coin is original (and I know you know your stuff), then, based on the pictures it looks like a ms67 coin.
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 Posted 06/13/2018  01:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hadleydog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry for the poor pictures, they are the sellers.
I do not own the coin.
Let me add that the coin is raw, not in a gsa holder.
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 Posted 06/13/2018  01:59 am  Show Profile   Check spruett001's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add spruett001 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Fake?

I ain't a Morgan specialist, but there is something not right.
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 Posted 06/13/2018  03:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coconutjoe to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It does look bit odd.

Here is a blow up of the pic.


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 Posted 06/13/2018  03:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hadleydog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Fake?

I ain't a Morgan specialist, but there is something not right.

Hmmm.
What looks off?
I posted this piece in the grading forum first, you guys have good eyes and attention to detail.



And thanks Coconutjoe for enlarging the image. Posting this from my cellphone.
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The light source seems to be coming from the top. Even with the light coming from an angle, the surface flow lines should show a cartwheel reflection, but here you see a lit top and dark bottom. It looks like the reflective chrome finish on car wheels more than a lustrous 133 year old mint coin surface. But it could also be the unique photo setup of the seller. The lack of any visible flaws in the surface is another concern. Looks suspicious.
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 Posted 06/13/2018  08:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add moxking to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Fake. Examine the stars which are rounded at the tips in many instances.
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After Coconutjoe enlarged the pics, I can see the surfaces better. Looks fake.
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It is a struck counterfeit. Notice how the fields lack any sort of cartwheel lustre, looking more like a bullion round. Luckily, this is something the counterfeiters have not been able to replicate. These can even be found in counterfeit GSA plastic. You can post better images but I'm 99.99% sure I'll not change my opinion. Hopefully you are in a position to get your money back. I see now you are not the owner.
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The ONE on the reverse does not look like a ONE on a genuine Morgan.
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 Posted 06/13/2018  11:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jmwilson to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Where is it for sale?
I'd like to know so that I can steer clear.

The surfaces look polished to me.
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Something definitely not right.
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It is a struck counterfeit.

Yes it is, and far superior to the really bad cast fakes we are used to seeing. It was discovered by another collector and I felt important enough to post here.
The reverse is particularly well done, and the die was paired to multiple obverses and dates. There literally could be tens of thousands of them out there.
Luckily for us, there is a clear marker for identification.
The hit to the eagles breast appears on all of them.


Here are 3 others (1881, 1882 and an 1885) that all share the exact same reverse....




The counterfeiters are getting better, and we have been warned that the next wave coming through are going to be good. Really good. The TPG's are preparing for them now.
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