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 Posted 07/10/2018  9:55 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Rb67 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I picked this up yesterday. Not sure what grade it is as I'm fairly new. Would love some help with that. I know it's nice and it caught my eye. I also would like to get a recommendation on what to do with it. I've read enough to be confused about cleaning it. I usually will use Renaissance wax on some Blued guns I've pick up in the pass. It preventance rust very well. I'm tempted to do the same with this. Would that be ill advised? Finally, I have a nice light box for taking pictures of larger items and am struggling with these coins. Are these pictures descent?

Thank you in advance. Feedback is welcome. I know I piled a couple of subjects together.


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 Posted 07/10/2018  10:04 pm  Show Profile   Check Adam_E's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Adam_E to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
When it comes to cleaning coins, the general consensus is usually don't. You dont need to worry about corrosion as long as you keep it protected in a holder.

As for your coin's grade, it looks like a slider between AU/MS, I'm leaning towards AU-58 but others may have different opinions.

Those are some incredibly strong and square rims though, can you check for a small die chip right after the M in "UNUM"?
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 Posted 07/10/2018  10:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Crazyb0 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That seems to be about an AU55RB, slight rub on cheek and lower bust. I wouldn't use any gun stuff on copper coins, too much chemicals may cause discoloration, and give us a Details, cleaned grade which lowers value. If anything, use a product called Verdi-Care, that will help prepare and keep surfaces more natural.

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 Posted 07/10/2018  10:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Rb67 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This picture is a little better. Having trouble getting them below 300.


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 Posted 07/10/2018  10:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Rb67 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Adam_E, I don't see one. Is that a fairly common error?
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 Posted 07/10/2018  11:13 pm  Show Profile   Check Adam_E's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Adam_E to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Just making sure it's not a matte proof, it was unlikely, but worth a check

If it had one, you'd have had a very special coin on your hands!
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 Posted 07/11/2018  12:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add acloco to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The first item that caught my eyes....same as Adam E....the squareness of the inside of the rims.

Could we see a picture of the rim from the edge perspective?
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Adam_E, I have done some research since you have informed me about the Matte Proof Set and I wish I could take better pictures. The die chip to the right of the "M" is the hardest for me to pick up. Some time I can glimpse it at a certain angle with just the right light, but getting a picture of it is even harder. The two lines are present in front on Lincoln's nose however they are abbreviated in comparison to ones I seen in my research. The abbreviated lines are in the outer range apposed to being longer and closer to the nose. There is one that I can catch in picture if I hold my breath just right. It does also go through Lincoln's nose. This list below also appears to match my 1909 VDB.

* indicating hard to see with my loop.

OBV-3: Right side of the "N" of "IN GOD" is even or slightly thick, as opposed to thin which can be found on many business strikes.*
OBV-4: "WE" is always the even type and NEVER is found having the high "W" of "WE".
OBV-5: "R" of "TRUST" has a very large upper loop.
REV-2: upper space of "E" of "E.PLUR" is filled.(Partially on mine)
REV-3: upper inside left corner of the letter "N" is filled of "UNITED".*(Partially on mine)
REV-4: V.D.B.........(a) left side of "V" curves slightly outward. (b) definite slant to the middle of "B". (c) first dot is high, second and third dots are even and lower than the first dot.

So if this is a Matte Coin. What will I need to do next?





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 Posted 07/11/2018  02:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Rb67 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Rim Picture will have to be tomorrow.
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I was able to use my loop to capture the Die Polish Lines.

ETA: Is it normal to only be able to catch the Die Polish Lines at certain angles? There are tough to find and photo.



The Polish Line in the "C" in Cent.


My poor attempt at capturing the outer edge.

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 Posted 07/11/2018  1:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Boy it sure has the rims for a proof!
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 Posted 07/11/2018  1:42 pm  Show Profile   Check Adam_E's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Adam_E to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If it has polishing lines, remember that they would be raised, try putting very shallow light on it, the lines should cast a bigger shadow and be easier to see.

It could just be a very well struck business strike, but the rims are exceptionally strong.

IMO its still incredibly unlikely just due to how few were minted, try not to convince yourself something is there when it might not be, pariodoilia might be a factor here
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 Posted 07/11/2018  2:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadThad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
MS-63

Do not wax nor attempt to clean this coin IMO.
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 Posted 07/11/2018  3:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Rb67 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Adam_E, that's the only way I'm finding the polish lines. I use a low powered LED at different angles until they come to life. Then I snap the pictures.

Thank you and everyone else for the help. I will not be waxing it. Thanks for the great information.

Will I be wasting my time if I start another thread in the differrant Forum?
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 Posted 07/12/2018  12:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SilverDollar2017 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You could start a topic in the Modern Coins forum about this coin and whether it's a matte proof.
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How to identify cleaned coins: http://goccf.com/t/319679
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Very interesting! Agree with SilverDollar above
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