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 Posted 09/13/2018  11:11 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add mycrookedd to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I went today to the PAN 2018

I seen that MCbride dude.

After an hour in I've found all good coins at reasonable
prices.

Then the shock...I just wanted to get a simple 2009 P nickel...

after mentioning I was a CRH. Almost nobody would talk

to me.

They Ignored me like the plague. Why?
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 Posted 09/13/2018  11:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Crazyb0 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
CRHer...on the level of...cheapskate. Most dealers have had noob CRHer's bring in circulated junk, suspected errors and multi-figure doubled die coins in to sell, all of which aren't any of the real thing. it is a pain in the butt to deal with most of these who after being educated by one YouTube video or a Get Rich from Pocket Change book and now know more than the dealer themselves. Coin shows are to SELL WARES, high dollar, high volume items and most contemporary coinage is just worth at best, twice it's face value. Pennies (Wash my Mouth! Right Kanga!) and nickels are chump change, very little money in them.

Then again, it just may be that dealer or group of them. Some dealers you wonder why they are even there sometimes. Demeanor...the older they get the meaner they get! Remember, they aren't there to chew the fat with you, they are there to make your wallet less fat.

And a final thought. Many CRHers aren't really that serious of a collector...yet. Usually after time, we branch out, we begin to get serious about a series, a type set where it may take some MONEY to BUY a certain coin from a DEALER. I started out as a CRHer, learned a lot, branched out, went way overboard, restructured the manner of collections...found other areas of intrigue. I will still get a box every now and then, it's fun, relaxing but it really isn't "collecting" and advancing in Numismatics unless your into error coins, Doubled Dies or RPM's like me, that's what I'll hunt for. Not for the pie in the sky purported riches, that is mostly a wast of time unless you do it a lot and really know what you're doing. Most CRHers, don't.
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 Posted 09/13/2018  11:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mycrookedd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm just a buyer of junk not a seller. What I get from my rolls
is mostly just junk so never tried to sell it. If you're saying
that most dealers at shows are smarter that a CRH. I think you're
wrong. Let us just wait awhile and see.
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 Posted 09/13/2018  11:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Crazyb0 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I added on, you missed some. No, dealers aren't necessarily smarter, (some are really stoopid tho!), they and CRHers are on different pages. The directions of numismatics. CRHers may be more "hobbyists" then "Collectors" Dealers are in to making a profit, they have to or they go out of business...quickly. If you're looking for camaraderie, join a coin club, if your a wheeler-dealer, go to shows. Different directions, see?

I'm not a dealer either, but I do sell. I do it to support my habit! I buy items I like or need myself at online auctions. I'll sell what I don't need or think I can turn a profit. (I have those rings for sale on CCF for instance, darn things were all too big for me!)It helps keep my collections growing. I wouldn't be able to afford much on my basic income otherwise. I imagine if mentioned I did this, I amy also be treated with disdain by some, I'm competition and low dollar.
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 Posted 09/14/2018  12:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add macmercury to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Two different spectrum on the opposite side of the pole.

CRHers look mostly for junk silver to profit, dealer looks for collectors to profit.

Crazyb0 has the right analogy, looking at things in different perspectives.

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 Posted 09/14/2018  02:08 am  Show Profile   Check spruett001's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add spruett001 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply


I have done my fair share of CRHing, and I am not a dealer. I have interacted with a few dealers and I can see how the impetus to speak with self-described CRHers would be lacking. You are sort of on the opposite end of the hobby's spectrum from dealers, but with a similar goal.

Ultimately, the methods of the CRHer and the dealer attempt to achieve profit. So, there is competition and so be it.
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 Posted 09/14/2018  03:20 am  Show Profile   Check thedollarman's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add thedollarman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
As crazyb0 has said..it is two different ends of the spectrum..dealers can be very nice but they know when someone isn't going to be worth their time..to put it bluntly that is.

And from the way you put it, it sounds like his hopes may have been up from how you say you saw many things at good prices over the course of an hour..then proceeded to just want a very low priced item. I am not condoning rude behavior from dealers, and I used to wonder about the attitudes of some, but now that I've been behind the table at shows, it is stressful and tiring, and all that's on a dealer's mind is how they are gonna make the show worthwhile. They are people too and have a lot on their plate, I am sure they mean no disrespect..it is just that time is money and when you can feel someone out it becomes easy to tell if they are gonna be profitable or just a window shopper or low end Spender.

I am not calling you a window shopper or low end spender at all..in fact I can respect what you do roll hunting and think you have every right to be treated nicely by whoever you want to deal with...all I am saying is have some understanding for the mindset and goals of the person who is standing at the other side of that table and paying to be there.
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 Posted 09/14/2018  09:38 am  Show Profile   Check John77's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add John77 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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CRHers look mostly for junk silver to profit


I don't call these people CRHers, actually. I call them "Silver Searchers." A dealer who doesn't recognize the difference is not worth YOUR time, honestly.

A true CRH is looking for older coins, hard-to-find dates, errors, and other collectible stuff. Silver Searchers are only in it for the profit off of found silver coins. How many of us true CRH only "edge search" our rolls of halves? Probably not many. Coins like the 1982-P NO FG, 1974-D DDO, Impaired Proofs, NIFCs, BU 1982 and 1983 coins from both mints, and other non-silver coins worth more than face are pulled by those of us who properly search a box of halves.
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 Posted 09/14/2018  10:31 am  Show Profile   Check CoinCollector2000's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add CoinCollector2000 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am a CRH that goes after error coins, but mainly variety coins that I have researched for five years now (I joined this forum at the start and the people here helped me along). I'd like to think that I have a good grasp of the concepts. I've never been to a coin show as I have not had time with my busy schedule, but I've never had a problem with anyone disrespecting me. Maybe you just had a sour crowd and just need to keep your chin up. Everyone has their own opinions, and sometimes they are hard-headed. Don't worry!
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 Posted 09/14/2018  10:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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How many of us true CRH only "edge search" our rolls of halves?
I have said it before, if you are just edge searching you are doing it (CRH) wrong.
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 Posted 09/14/2018  12:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Crazyb0 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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A true CRH is looking for older coins, hard-to-find dates, errors, and other collectible stuff. Silver Searchers are only in it for the profit off of found silver coins


John77, fair points, but here's the real difference. Intrinsic value or real world value? Intrinsic can be the objective or subjective worth, based upon the individual. Sentiment, plain interest, joy for oneself... all these to that individual can be priceless. The real world or realized values are in monetary form, dinero, bucks, wampum. A CRHer will have their reasons, which to them are quite right to them. Dealers of course HAVE to profit, they go out of business fast if they don't or resort to selling PM's and no longer coins.

My only problem as pointed out with CRHing, is just WHAT are you searching for? Spiked Head Lincolns, Die chip BIEs may be cool and neat to find, even get them catalogued under your name. But, will coins like that ever increase in a monetary value? No, they haven't in the 60 years since the mint decided to overwork the Lincoln dies. Now for some odd reason, the "No FG" halves get a good premium on eBay for a common mint die maintenance product. Dealers now deal in coins that have a definite intrinsic MONETARY value that will act as investment(increase/decrease) over time, sometimes in the 3-7 figure category, BIG money compared to a $2 BIE on eBay. Again, the two sides of the issue. is anything wrong with either, NO, of course not! May there be problems with the attitudes of humans in interaction one with another...waddaya think!


AND, as always...It's your collection, your rules. Does it really matter what someone else may "Think"?
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 Posted 09/14/2018  1:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think many dealers think of CRHers as amateurs with little money to spend on better material. That's a direct quote from a dealer I work part time for.
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I think many dealers think of CRHers as amateurs with little money to spend on better material.



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I think many dealers think of CRHers as amateurs with little money to spend on better material. That's a direct quote from a dealer I work part time for.


Exactly my thoughts. Not saying that all CRHers are actually that way, but many dealers do think of them that way.

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 Posted 09/14/2018  7:47 pm  Show Profile   Check John77's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add John77 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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John77, fair points, but here's the real difference. Intrinsic value or real world value?
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AND, as always...It's your collection, your rules. Does it really matter what someone else may "Think"?

I think the vast majority of us are here for intrinsic value. Some of us are into errors, some are into collecting by dates and series.

As with anything else in life, it really doesn't matter what others think. It's what you like and what you do. Is it fulfilling to you or not? That's the only thing which really matters.


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I have said it before, if you are just edge searching you are doing it (CRH) wrong.

Amen, jbuck. Amen. And back to that topic for a second. Do ANY of these "edge searchers" look for the dates? Or are they just looking for silver. If you're an edge searcher, and you're not tracking the dates and mints, you're very likely just a silver searcher and not a true CRH. You just wonder how many of them have just unknowingly dumped stuff like 1955 Franklins without knowing their collectible value.


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I think many dealers think of CRHers as amateurs with little money to spend on better material. That's a direct quote from a dealer I work part time for.


It seems so bizarre to hear a dealer say that. Didn't we all get started in the hobby one way or another? I doubt many of us just acquired a collection and that spurred us on. You wonder why young people aren't interested in our hobby, and this hits the nail on the head. Snobby dealers, or dealers that have forgotten where they came from have no business in this hobby IMHO.

More than likely we got started in this hobby by going through our parents coins, or rolls of coins from the bank, or the coins in the change drawers at your job if you happened to be a cashier as I was in my young adulthood. The thrill of the find - whether it was a 1939 Quarter in the change bin as a teen, or an AU 1928-S Buffalo in a roll as I found CRH a couple of summers ago - is the same. I love finding the key date Jeffersons and other stuff that's worth a good deal more than face. I don't do it for the money or the profit. It's for the thrill of the find. Finding a really cool coin is much more satisfying than most purchases you're going to make. I mean other than a few coins like the 1909 S VDB, the 1955 DDO, and my MS-64 1926-S cent, I honestly can say that I don't remember too many of my individual purchases.

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 Posted 09/14/2018  8:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm guessing, in this day and age of staggering coinage production, that some dealers view CRHing as an tedious, time-consuming process that yields virtually nothing in value relative to the effort involved.
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