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India - Bundi Rupee - Date Error - Transposed Numerals

 
 
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 Posted 01/08/2019  06:28 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Director to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hello folks:

Please see pics of this very nice error coin that I have come across. It is as under:

Indian Princely State - Bundi - Rupee in the name of Ram Singh, Silver, with the name of Queen Victoria AD 1858; VS 1915 - With transposed numerals in date.

The weight of the coin is about 11.15 grams.

Has anyone seen a similar example? Kindly share your views and opinions.


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 Posted 01/08/2019  06:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Interesting coin. Does not appear to be in numista:

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces50759.html
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
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 Posted 01/08/2019  07:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
An interesting retrograde date variety.
I'll bet you London to a brick that the die cutter could read Arabic, but not English.

Easy enough to make this sort of error, if you are die cutting in mirror reverse.
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01/08/2019 07:26 am
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 Posted 01/08/2019  6:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Palouche to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thats a great find and a realy nice looking coin Director!

I've had a good look around and eventually found another error coin of this type...Not a transposed date but the lettering...I've tried but I'm a real luddite!, so If anyone can increase the size of the photo it would be much appreciated?..It shows the 'N' OF queen back to front...




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Easy enough to make this sort of error, if you are die cutting in mirror reverse.


@sel_69l or anyone else! ....I agree but can you elaborate?...I have a very limited knowledge of how the dies were sunk and would really like to know more.....It would be very interesting thanks!

@Director...I would say after searching for a few hours that you have a very rare coin there!
Congrats!..... Paul
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 Posted 01/12/2019  03:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Director to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you folks! Any more info on this would be appreciated.
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 Posted 01/13/2019  08:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Palouche to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Director, just found a couple more errors...

Top one I think is showing a transposed date but not the same as yours..
Bottom one look at the 'Q'..

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Nice, thanks Paul! Is that a small 1 before the 8?

Looks like many haven't seen these or they don't collect these.

I'll try to get mine graded.

Cheers!
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I'll try to get mine graded.


Good idea as I think you have a really nice rare specimen there..


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Is that a small 1 before the 8?


Yes your right..looks like a little splatted 1....so the ob/rev dates correspond..Sorry

Great find and good luck with the grading Paul.
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Good idea as I think you have a really nice rare specimen there..


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Great find and good luck with the grading Paul.

Thanks again, Paul. :)...Will keep you informed.
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Palouche:
the dies for these coins had to be cut by hand,
incuse, (cut into the die face), and in mirror reverse.
Village or small town Mints did not have modern die hubbing facilities.

You need a huge and modern steel industry for that.
Steel is a modern material, after 1848. That was when the Bessemer steel process was discovered. Before then, everybody used wrought iron as the strongest material.
1848 was when the Industrial Revolution really speeded up.

Modern coinage dies are made from steel.
With modern coins, the die is cut intaglio in plaster at many times of the size that the intended coin is to be, by the original coin artist.
A metal incuse is taken, the whole image then reduced and a master intaglio die is prepared, working incuse, dies are hubbed off those, and are used to strike coins.
A lot of mechanical work, but necessary when billions of coins are needed off the original design.

I would imagine that there are some good videos on die hubbing, a process carried out by every modern Mint.
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That's some nice information! #128077;#127995;
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Thanks for the information sel.

I did watch a couple of clip videos from The Royal Mint website ..Very interesting!

Just one question, in your opinion when a letter or date error occurs (thats assuming they realise an error has occurred) will the die continue to be used or is it dicarded and a new one cut?....I ask the question because I've searched a lot for error coins of this series and have found a few but none have the same error!....But maybe the saying 'like looking for a needle in a haystack' comes to mind!?

Thanks again Paul

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