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 Posted 02/10/2019  02:38 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Sam1966 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
*** Edited by Staff to Add Year / Mintmark / Denomination to Title. Titles are Important! ***

I found a 1970-S DDO coin searching today. I looked through the variety of examples that are listed on the Double Die site and nothing matches what I have. You can see what I mean with the pics.









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 Posted 02/10/2019  04:16 am  Show Profile   Check spruett001's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add spruett001 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The date looks to have Machine Doubling, not a doubled die.
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 Posted 02/10/2019  04:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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 Posted 02/10/2019  05:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sam1966 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
R u kidding me, this coin is most definitely a double die. Go to doubledie.com and compair the 2, they r the same as mine, not all errors on one coin the same as mine.
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 Posted 02/10/2019  08:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CJ18850 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
to CCF! with Machine Doubling. It has a shelf like appearance and the devices are not thick.
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 Posted 02/10/2019  08:45 am  Show Profile   Check Errers and Varietys's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
No, it's not an Doubled Die, sorry. The reason why nothing matched up, is because you have Machine Doubling which is a different form of doubling. Machine Doubling carries no premium over face value, since it's way too common.
More information about Die Deterioration? http://goccf.com/t/317950
Retired U.S. Mint Coin Die Set information. http://goccf.com/t/302961
1988 P LMC RDV-006, 1998 P LMC Wide AM, and 2000 P LMC Wide AM. http://goccf.com/t/327834 http://goccf.com/t/294303 http://goccf.com/t/312900
1973 D Lincoln Memorial cent With Recurring Die Subsidence Error Information. http://goccf.com/t/304624
Machine Doubling tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/332421
Die states progression on coins. Scroll down, so you can see the different die state progressions. http://goccf.com/t/325638
Die Deterioration Doubling Tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/336470
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 Posted 02/10/2019  09:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cookiemonster to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
if it's got a shelf like look
it's md sorry but good luck and happy hunting
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 Posted 02/10/2019  09:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jim0815 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It is MD. I have one that shows more than yours and I keep it for educational purposes.
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 Posted 02/10/2019  10:04 am  Show Profile   Check Tanman2001's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Tanman2001 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
it's just MD.
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 Posted 02/10/2019  5:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sam1966 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Can you help me , what is the difference in these two? As far as the doubling goes, I am verey confused.



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 Posted 02/10/2019  5:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CJ18850 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Look at this page Sam1966. As you scroll, you'll see the differences with various classes of doubled die varieties, with pictures and meanings. Good luck!
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The black and white is from doubledie.com (1970-S 1 cent WDDO-24), can you explain me the difference?
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1970-S 1 cent WDDO-024, sorry
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Sam1966, the difference between your cent and the WDDO-024 is the partial doubling above the date. Do you see the little raised bump above the seven? That is the doubling that qualifies it. Your cent does not have that. Your cent is MD. Yes the WDDO-024 has opposite direction MD but it has a the raised element of the seven above it. You're not looking for the doubling, you are looking at the similar MD even though it is in a different direction. Any way you look at it the answer is the same, your cent is the victim of Machine Doubling.
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They don't even match on the MD. On your coin the MD is above the numbers. On the one from Wexlers it is below.
The description for the 1970-S 1 WDDO-024 reads. "Doubling shows above the horizontal bar of the 7 in the date." In the photo it is the "dot" above the "7".
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 Posted 02/10/2019  6:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The machine sloshed a different direction. These are affected after the strike. A light movement after the strike alters the coin for the life of the coin. Caused by a sloppy machine. When they start creating these, they vary from strike to strike:

Note the marker on the coin. You can tell it was the same die that damaged all these coin differently after the strike.
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