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1772 Madrid Pj - 8 Reales - What Is It?

 
 
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 Posted 04/22/2019  11:18 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add swamperbob to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Here is a "coin" being sold on eBay that is actually NOT;

A coin.

or

A counterfeit.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/352643587414

Here is the object itself.



The seller is new to eBay. But he describes the object as if it was a 1772 Madrid 8R made of silver which is obviously incorrect. He gives a weight of 28 grams.

In the field behind the King's portrait is a raised feature:



That is rather clear with a date of 2002 - it is some sort of copy.

If you notice the object clearly is surrounded by a metal ring that is connected to the edge of the object. I presume it is a cast that includes the rim as an integral part of the object.

For that reason I believe it is a "Bowl Bottom" similar to the example illustrated on page 174 of my book. For over 100 years such faux coins have been mounted as bottoms of bowls, cups and ash trays. They are curios no more no less.

It is not a coin. It was made in 2002 not 1772. It is not even silver - looks like electroplated brass or bronze.

In the old days, this would have been removed from eBay - but not because it is illegal. It is only improperly described.

However, a value of $ 99 or anything near that is ABSURD. Perhaps $5 would be more realistic.
My book on Counterfeit Portrait 8Rs is available from Amazon http://ccfgo.com/TheUnrealReales or from me directly if you want it signed.
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 Posted 04/23/2019  8:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jgenn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm glad that wasn't a genuine 8 reales. Charles III Portrait issues from Madrid are scarce enough as it is.
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 Posted 05/02/2019  03:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Giovanni Miceli Puperi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have a copy with a similar mark. It's a copy of an 1687 8 Escudos. Though I had to use a VPN to access it, I found an ad for a similarly marked coin where they say it's an official copy from the Spanish Mint, what makes sense.
https://www.milanuncios.com/monedas...61078843.htm
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 Posted 05/02/2019  10:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add swamperbob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Giovanni Miceli Puperi The replica you posted is a 5 Euro item. Distressed as the 1772 is - my $5 estimate may be high.

The fact that the item is an "official" replica does not make it valuable unless it was a limited edition and is an MS level.
My book on Counterfeit Portrait 8Rs is available from Amazon http://ccfgo.com/TheUnrealReales or from me directly if you want it signed.
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