Coin Community Family of Web Sites
Like us on Facebook! Subscribe to our Youtube Channel! Check out our Twitter! Check out our Pinterest!
Username:
Password:
Save Password
Forgot your Password?

Welcome Guest! Need help? Got a question? Inherit some coins?
Our coin forum is completely free! Register Now!

Commonality Of Error Strikes On Elizabethan Coins?

 
 
To participate in the forum you must log in or register.
Author Previous Topic Topic Next Topic  
Valued Member
285 Posts
 Posted 07/07/2019  09:31 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add sg93 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I've just come across a 1592-95 shilling with a very clear rotated reverse die overstrike. Not sure how common this is and what sort of premium that'd fetch. Could someone advise on this? I'm almost kicking myself for not having found it in time! I haven't actually seen such a major error hitherto.
Bedrock of the Community
Australia
16005 Posts
 Posted 07/07/2019  10:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Coins of Elizabeth 1 were hammer struck, not pressed (milled).
The first minting presses of this time were made by Pierre Blondeau, a Frenchman working for the English Royal Mint. He later had his hands cut off for coin forgery.

Die rotation very common with Elizabethan (First) coins of the 16th century, to the extent that die rotation not considered an error.
Edited by sel_69l
07/07/2019 10:37 am
Valued Member
285 Posts
 Posted 07/07/2019  10:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sg93 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks. So is it safe to assume that, save for weight, they had pretty lax standards concerning strike standards? I notice that the bust is usually faint on several issues also.
Bedrock of the Community
Australia
16005 Posts
 Posted 07/07/2019  10:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Faint bust image is very common for all silver coins of Elizabeth 1.
Sharply struck bust images for Elizabeth 1 coins bring a significant premium over coins of the same grade.
Valued Member
United Kingdom
231 Posts
 Posted 07/07/2019  11:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add PaddyB to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There was a previous attempt at introducing mechanised coin production in the UK under Eloye Mestrelle, another Frenchman, in the 1560s. The experiment eventually faltered as the Warden of the mint disapproved of the new process. Eloy Mestrelle lost his position and several years later was executed for counterfeiting. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eloy_Mestrelle
Milled Elizabeth I Sixpences turn up fairly regularly at auction and are handsome pieces, though inevitably there are now fakes around.
I can't find reference to Pierre Blondeau falling foul of the law and having his hands cut off?
Valued Member
285 Posts
 Posted 07/07/2019  8:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sg93 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
thanks, could you recommend scholarly papers or guidebooks on english hammered and milled coins?

Ah yes, have been watching some of those milled coins too. They definitely are much better struck than the hammered versions, but for some reason I quite prefer the hammered ones instead. Not that I wouldn't add some of the milled to my collection if they came at a bargain!
Bedrock of the Community
Australia
16005 Posts
 Posted 07/08/2019  02:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
PaddyB:-
Sorry, I got mixed up with Eloye Mestrelle
Valued Member
United Kingdom
231 Posts
 Posted 07/08/2019  03:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add PaddyB to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
For reference books on English hammered and milled coinage - the starting point is the "Coins of England & the United Kingdom" issued annually by Spink of London. This lists all the major coins and variations from Iron Age to decimalisation. (There is a separate volume for decimal coins.) It is the equivalent of the American Red Book and any British coin collector would start there.
Beyond that, the books tend to specialise in specific areas. On hammered coins one good reference is "English Hammered Coinage" by Jeffrey J North. This two volume set covers circa 600Ad to 1662, when the last hammered coins were made in this country. It is very scholarly and not well illustrated, so takes a lot of reading!
Valued Member
285 Posts
 Posted 07/08/2019  07:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sg93 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I did chance upon a few listings for the Spink title, wonder why I didn't think of getting that. Thanks a lot!
  Previous Topic Topic Next Topic  
 
To participate in the forum you must log in or register.

Coin Community Member eBay Sales

Certified Coins   Certified VAMs   Certified Errors  




Disclaimer: While a tremendous amount of effort goes into ensuring the accuracy of the information contained in this site, Coin Community assumes no liability for errors. Copyright 2005 - 2019 Coin Community Family- all rights reserved worldwide. Use of any images or content on this website without prior written permission of Coin Community or the original lender is strictly prohibited.
Contact Us  |  Advertise Here  |  Privacy Policy / Terms of Use

Coin Community Forum © 2005 - 2019 Coin Community Forums
It took 0.84 seconds to rattle this change. Powered By: Snitz Forums 2000 Version 3.4.05