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1949-S Lincoln Wheat Cent Doubled Die DDO-001, FS-101 Stage A

 
 
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 Posted 07/18/2019  10:29 pm Show Profile   Check tropicalbats's eBay Listings Bookmark this topic Add tropicalbats to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Most of the coins in the bag I'm going through are well-circulated, but this somewhat nicer one popped up and turned out to be a good one. Not perfect, but fairly nice overall.

1949-S Lincoln Wheat cent Doubled Die DDO-001, FS-101 Stage A






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 Posted 07/18/2019  11:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CouchDiver1978 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very cool! I don't know much about the 1949 s, is that a class 3? Really awesome shape congrats!
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 Posted 07/18/2019  11:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add levelsofmadnes to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice score tropicalbats

favorite device.. the 4. it looks like two different font fours.

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 Posted 07/19/2019  12:00 am  Show Profile   Check tropicalbats's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add tropicalbats to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Coop has some interesting opinions about what is going on with these. Hopefully he'll chime in here. Think re-worked die and not a true doubled die, but it's listed as FS-101 so I will keep it as such until someone changes things.
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 Posted 07/19/2019  06:44 am  Show Profile   Check GrapeCollects's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GrapeCollects to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's a cool one no matter what!
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 Posted 07/19/2019  07:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wrongnumber to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Welcome back. Knew it was you with all those fancy numbers after your description lol. Nice one ;)
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 Posted 07/19/2019  08:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Another nice one!
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 Posted 07/19/2019  08:47 am  Show Profile   Check Errers and Varietys's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very nice Doubled Die Obverse!
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Machine Doubling Tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/332421
Die states progression on coins. Scroll down, so you can see the different die state progressions. http://goccf.com/t/325638
Die Deterioration Doubling Tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/336470
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 Posted 07/19/2019  8:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply


Years ago, when I first saw this DDO, I wondered if the San Francisco altered a 1948 die and had the last digit changed? Why Did I think that? Comparing the digits of the 1948 cents and the 1949 cents showed me what looks like that happened:



Thus seeing both sets of these three digits, make me think that may have happened?

CoopHome : 1948 - 1949 altered die DDO on the 4
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Some have asked about my images I use and I'm glad to say, you can now you can see the DVD in sections on youtube:
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Jefferson nickel doubled dies Wexler/Rebar complete listings

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 Posted 07/19/2019  11:26 pm  Show Profile   Check GrapeCollects's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GrapeCollects to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Coop if that was true that would make this the only C-VII doubled die known right?
My best finds: 1999-WAM:http://goccf.com/t/332161 1988-RDV-6:http://goccf.com/t/335954#2873459 1986-Off-center: http://goccf.com/t/335952
1999 WAM #2:http://goccf.com/t/338710&whichpage=1
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 Posted 07/20/2019  7:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
But my question is; Why? That is what it looks like that happened. But they used to make the master die with an altered master hub. Working with changing the last digits.
http://doubleddie.com/58201.html

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When the Janvier Reduction Lathe was introduced in 1907, the first two digits of the date began to appear on the galvano and thus on the master hubs. This was done so that the master hub could be used to make master dies over a period of several years. Starting with the Lincoln cents in 1909, the last two digits of the date were engraved into the master die for each year. Unless they had an extra die left older from the previous year and took the '8' off the die and then re-hubbed it again with the 1949 hub in order to use the die a different year. Figuring the design was closer than they thought. But it wasn't.

By the middle of the 1980's the Mint started placing the last two digits of the date on the master design (galvano). New master hubs were prepared each year for each denomination. At this time the Mint also started placing the mint mark on the master design for all Commemorative and proof coins.

But that die seems like they didn't follow the usual proceedure? It was like they created a die with an altered 1948 hub and a 1949 hub. They altered the '8' off the hub. But again why comes to mind? The only thing that runs through my mind is that they needed to create a die from that mint that they needed and when ahead and created one from two different hubs. (Problem: The only dies were created at the Philly mint then.) So I'm still at a loss at the question; Why?
Just check it seems there were three DDOs like this, but all from the San Francisco mint.
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Some have asked about my images I use and I'm glad to say, you can now you can see the DVD in sections on youtube:
1. Intro, older coins, toned coins 2. Doubled dies 3. Die events, One of a kind errors 4. So called errors, Coin information 5. Coin information Types and Varieties, Overlays
Jefferson nickel doubled dies Wexler/Rebar complete listings

trail dies:http://www.traildies.com/
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 Posted 07/22/2019  8:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Petespockets55 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Another nice DDO in nice condition. Congrats.
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