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1883-O Morgan For Grade Please

 
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 Posted 07/21/2019  11:12 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add baldee to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Another one of G-pa's Morgans...the cheek is gunna hurt.

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 Posted 07/22/2019  12:23 am  Show Profile   Check shermae's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add shermae to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
All Morgans below perhaps 67 have cheek hits. The field in front of Liberty is almost mark free. I've seen similar coins grade MS66 at PSGS and NGC. Assuming the surfaces have not be altered and the luster is not impaired, I see this as a 65 to 66.
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 Posted 07/22/2019  06:31 am  Show Profile   Check GrapeCollects's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GrapeCollects to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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 Posted 07/22/2019  08:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add panzaldi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
photos out of holders would help more. looks like you are missing luster across the cheek and neck and the hits are in a prominent area as well as fairly deep, not just typical bagginess. MS64
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 Posted 07/22/2019  09:00 am  Show Profile   Check Singer's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Singer to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice coin!



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Looks like you are missing luster across the cheek and neck and the hits are in a prominent area as well as fairly deep, not just typical bagginess. MS64



Agreed - MS64



Also, you might want to flatten the staples to prevent scratching other coins stored against the 2 x 2.

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 Posted 07/22/2019  09:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think those two prominent cheek marks hold this to 64, but I wouldn't be surprised to see a 65 on this one.
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 Posted 07/22/2019  5:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mdpmedia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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assuming....luster is not impaired,


Photos seldom tell the complete story especially w/r/t the presence or not of luster. The setup & positioning of equipment and especially optimal lighting settings are difficult to perfect. If luster is completely absent and the cheeks dings are significantly deep, it would be difficult to see this one reach a 64. But those are a lot of 'ifs'.

Am I correct to assume that this coin is inside of a TPG slab having a grade?
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 Posted 07/22/2019  5:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dave700x to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The obverse image is a bit dark but I believe it's MS63 tops.
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 Posted 07/23/2019  10:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add IndianGoldEagle to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Those cheek hits are pretty deep, MS-63 at best for me.
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 Posted 07/23/2019  12:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add eternallogan to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
63, my sentiments are the same as IndianGoldEagle's.
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 Posted 07/23/2019  3:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add baldee to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Photos seldom tell the complete story especially w/r/t the presence or not of luster. The setup & positioning of equipment and especially optimal lighting settings are difficult to perfect. If luster is completely absent and the cheeks dings are significantly deep, it would be difficult to see this one reach a 64. But those are a lot of 'ifs'.

Am I correct to assume that this coin is inside of a TPG slab having a grade?


@mdpmedia...I truly have a lot to learn when it comes to the photography of coins...using a Samsung Note 5 and a digital microscope with most of the light coming from a computer monitor. I would like to send them in to get professionally graded sometime soon.
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 Posted 07/23/2019  6:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mdpmedia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't wish to endorse any particular TPG but I am most familiar with PCGS since I have a contract with them.

After having sent my coins there I always get their True View service where they take a picture of both sides and present an almost perfect replica of whatever corresponding slabbed coin lies in your hand.

If you decide to take this route don't forgot to put a link to the picture they take and post it in this thread when you are ready. All of the nuances previously alluded to will clearly manifest themselves in that digital photo.
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 Posted 07/24/2019  6:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fortcollins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I played with your photos a bit, reducing the lighting and increasing the color contrast. It's a nice coin, common date, with a typical New Orleans strike.

The obverse contact marks include a deep, circular mark extending from the cheek through the ear and hair to the first cotton blossom, the three cheek marks, and two minor rim dings at 9 o'clock. The reverse is much better, with a minor contact mark on the eagle's breast and a few minor scuff marks in the field.

A bigger concern is disruption of the luster. On the obverse, it is evident in the cap fold, hair above the forehead, hair above the ear, cheek, and second cotton blossom. On the reverse, it is subtle, but present on the eagle's right wing tip (our visual left), breast, talons, upper leaves of the wreath, and the ribbon and bow.

The New Orleans mint also served as a coin depository for the region. Silver dollars were not terribly popular there, and circulated only lightly. The New Orleans mint had a habit of receiving lightly circulated dollars back from banks and combining them with newly minted uncirculated dollars in mint bags. This was noted in the "silver rush" in the 1950s and 1960s, when mixed date mint bags of New Orleans dollars surfaced. I suspect that is the history of your dollar.

To me, the luster disruption indicates light circulation. As a result, I would grade your dollar AU-58. The good news is that there is very little price difference between an AU-58 and MS-63 1883-O. Without the circulation, I would be at MS-63 on your coin because of the obverse contact marks.

Again, nice coin, and thank you for sharing it with us!

EDIT: It would help if I remembered to upload the adjusted photos!

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07/24/2019 7:13 pm
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 Posted 07/24/2019  7:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'll stick with 64.
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 Posted 07/25/2019  10:18 pm  Show Profile   Check shermae's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add shermae to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Just for the sake of adding meat for the conversation, the coins below are all MS65's from PCGS and NGC.






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