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 Posted 08/23/2019  8:23 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add cashcraft19 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I am totally new to all this so bear with me. I was looking over my friends coins and I couldn't find the mint mark on this dollar coin at first. I believe it was stamped twice with 2 different things in the same place. A mint mark and a star. Would this be worth more than a dollar? Is it even an error? Your help is appreciated.



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 Posted 08/23/2019  10:28 pm  Show Profile   Check Errers and Varietys's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think it's PSD.
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 Posted 08/23/2019  10:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gincoin43 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm pretty sure there should not be a star directly after the date. Can I see the rest of the edge lettering?
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 Posted 08/23/2019  10:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gincoin43 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply


Should look like this, the D is maybe a quarter inch from the end of the date and stars star about twice that distance from the D. That might be a Philly mint mark under that first star but I would like to see the rim in it's entirety before trying to say what it is.
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 Posted 08/23/2019  10:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gincoin43 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Also don't touch the faces anymore. Finger prints are bad
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 Posted 08/24/2019  04:11 am  Show Profile   Check spruett001's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add spruett001 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It kinda looks like an error to me. The star is clear over what, I assume, is a P mintmark and both are closer to the date than normal. I don't know how it would happen, exactly, but the collar must be involved.
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 Posted 08/24/2019  04:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
to CCF. As a rule,you should never hold a coin like that. Only hold it by the edge,but the ops coin already has a fingerprint on it so no big deal...this time
Not sure if it would be considered an error or not.
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 Posted 08/24/2019  10:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cashcraft19 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
He handed me the coins in loose in
a paper bag. The fingerprint you see was already there. This coin was in the best shape of them all. Most were illegible.
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I will add some more pic of the edge as soon as I can.
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 Posted 08/24/2019  1:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gincoin43 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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The fingerprint you see was already there.


Just didn't want you to take pictures the same way I did. The one I took pictures of will never be worth more than a dollar.
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 Posted 08/24/2019  9:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Big-Kingdom to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Would like to see around the entire edge but looks like a double strike of the 2nd step to minting when they strike the edge lettering, heck make even run through 3 times.
This error occurs when coins go through the second step of the minting process twice. As a result, the coins will display two sets of edge lettering, or double edge lettering. If the coin goes through the edge-incusing machine heads-side up and then tails-side up, the two sets of lettering would occur in two directions, or inverted.

There's an article from Coin World that mentions the changes of the minting process of these coins over the years, here towards the end of the article.
https://www.coinworld.com/news/prec...tion-he.html

They don't mint them this way on the proof coins but they do it this way on the business strikes. The proofs are a one strike process so something like this can't happen, but on the business they strike the obverse and reverse as step one then they strike the edge lettering as the 2ND step.

This is also why business strikes have been found with only edge lettering.

Like I said though I'd like to see more pictures. it should be clear it's been edge lettered twice, even faintly in other places around the rim of the coin, otherwise I'd have to think it's some sort of shenanigans going on and someone manipulated the coin.

Also it's possible if the star is raised and not imprinted, that two coin edges slammed together really hard and a star was embossed over the P.
A edge lettering collar clash isn't possible on the edge lettering machine, the die only can make contact with the coin edge and doesn't contact the other side of the die ever.

So... if it did go through the edge lettering step twice it would be an error, but it wouldn't be as valuable an error as the missing edge lettering error. It would be somewhere around the weak edge lettering values. Double lettered should be faintly detectable at least around the entire coin. Should be 13 stars, not more or 26 for instance (there will be some obliteration of the first run through's lettering by the 2nd runs lettering though, there should'not actually be 26 stars each run through at least partially obliterates the previous as it over imprints.lol)

I will say this, that P is too close to 2011 and that star is even closer than it should be being on top of the P.should be like 4mm between the 2011 and the P and like 3mm between stars. Your pictures show basically a P and 2 stars in an area that should be blank and nothing there

More pictures please! :D


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