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 Posted 10/06/2008  1:15 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add snitchard to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hello,

I was looking at the Proof Sets in both "The Blue Book" (Wholesale) and "The Red Book" (Retail) and was wondering why some actually depreciate over time rather than appreciate? For Example, the 1979 Type 1 Proof Set was issued for $9.00. I bought it for $9.00 yet if I were to try and sell it to a coin dealer I might get the $5.00 "The Blue Book" quotes.

The 1998 Silver Premier Proof Set was issued for $21.50 and is sold for $35.00. Yet a coin dealer may buy it for the $18.00 "The Blue Book" quotes.

The 1953 Proof Set was issued for $2.10. This set sells for $310.00 but if sold to a coin dealer they may pay the $160.00 "The Blue Book" quotes.

Does this mean if I collect Proof sets that they will never be worth anything? I'm not wanting to collect for profit, I love the way Proof Sets look and are presented, plus I want something to pass down to my kids, I was just curious why this is. Any thoughts?

Thanks,
Rich
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 Posted 10/06/2008  8:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Yinzi50 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Good question! I would like to know the answer too.
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 Posted 10/06/2008  9:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Madmartigan to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The Red Book is what the suggestion retail price or FMV is. The blue book is what a dealer would offer you if not less. The difference in price is so a dealer can make a profit. Both books are "references" and the values do flux. Best example is silver & gold coins. Dealer will offer 1 or 2 points or more below spot. However, they will turn around and only sell the coins/bullion/etc for 1 or 2 points over spot. Watching auctions you will see bullion bars, junk silver, etc. going for 2 to 3x spot price.

Most dealers / flea market sellers / etc will pull out a Red Book to show you their price is fair.

Too murky the waters up a little more. Dealers use what is called grey sheets to get the up-to-date "buy" price on coins. These prices reflect dealer to dealer sales and such. You must get a subscription to get the grey sheets.
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 Posted 10/07/2008  7:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I go to flea markets every weekend. I go to about 2 to 4 coin shows a week. Been doing this for probably 50 years, maybe less since at my age not to good a memory. ONLY ONCE did I see anyone use the Red Book at a coin show. I've never seen anyone using a Blue Book anywhere.
Those two books are a joke when it comes to prices. They are great books for information and I wish they would just leave the prices out since they are so far off it is almost funny at times.
Try to remember that since the first Red Book each edition comes out almost a year in advance. Usually April of the preceding years. Example is the 2009 came out in April of 2008. This is hold over from the first edition that came out in 1946 but was labled 1947 per a conversation with the publisher, Dennis Tucker, at Whitman Publishing.
Therefore all and any prices in that book is a rather forcast of what could, should, might, may, hopefully, possibly, etc. If you go to a coin show you would see dealers using a thing called the grey sheet for pricing. NEVER a Red Book.
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 Posted 10/08/2008  10:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
But proof set prices DO go down. Why? Because there are usually a lot more proof sets made that the collector base will support pricewise. Typically the value of a proof set will run through a certain cycle, issue price, a premium as soon as they become available because some people don't want to wait for their sets, or don't buy from the mint etc. Often anoter price jump when the mint cuts off orders. Then over time usuall a five to ten year period the price of the set will drift back down to issue price or even less as more and more of them come onto the market and there are more sets than there are collectors seeking them.

Sometimes there is something unusual about a set and that will cause its value to stay high for a longer period. A good example of this in the 1979 set. When the type I and II mintmarks were discovered the value of BOTH types of sets tok an upward jump. The type II being much scarcer held onto its value, but the Type I, althogh its value went back down, took much longer than normal to fall back down to issue price. Something like 13 years. Then once it reached issue price it quickly slipped into the normal few dollars under issue level. I don't try to judge whether of not a proof set, commem, or other "special" coin will be something that will hold its value until it as been out at least ten years. During that first ten years there tends to be too much speculation and uncertainty and most everyone who buys and holds during that period loses money.

True every now and then there is a winner, but usually the losers will, or almost will, offset the winners. (Now if you buy and sell and are able to lock in those profits that is a different matter.)
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 Posted 10/08/2008  10:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadThad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Conder summed it up, basically supply and demand.
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