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1917 Lincoln Wheat Cent Doubled Die DDO-001, FS-101 - PCGS 83 Lamination

 
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 Posted 01/19/2020  2:00 pm Show Profile   Check tropicalbats's eBay Listings Bookmark this topic Add tropicalbats to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Disappointed that the small lam peel on the reverse caused PCGS to "no-holder" this one without a grade. I personally see no reason not to grade such a coin, but such is how it goes.

1917 Lincoln Wheat cent doubled die DDO-001, FS-101 PCGS 83 lamination "no-holder"




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 Posted 01/19/2020  2:24 pm  Show Profile   Check GrapeCollects's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GrapeCollects to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think not holding due to a lam is stupid TBH. I know NGC will do it at no premium but PCGS would want you to send it Mint Error tier with attribution ($80) which is ridiculous.

It's a great coin regardless.
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 Posted 01/19/2020  2:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Daves Errors to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have a question. I have not sent any of my coins in YET. If they don't grade it or slab it do you get your money back from the fees from on the coin?
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 Posted 01/19/2020  2:58 pm  Show Profile   Check tropicalbats's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add tropicalbats to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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 Posted 01/19/2020  3:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinHunter27 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well that's a disappointment. Just because of that LAM? That seems a bit extreme to me.

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 Posted 01/19/2020  3:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add QuarterHoarder72 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice coin, sucks to have it no holder though. The LAM is so small, it shouldn't even make a difference.
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 Posted 01/19/2020  3:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Rackster to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the fair warning. Still, it's a great coin!! Mine has a weird alloy thing going on the obverse, but for an $0.08 coffee can find...I'll take it with the alloy issue. With a lam it's still a no-brainer.
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 Posted 01/19/2020  4:37 pm  Show Profile   Check Errers and Varietys's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Great coin! The "No Holder" thing is ridiculous though.
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 Posted 01/19/2020  5:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TwistedTrader to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Just doesn't seem right!
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 Posted 01/19/2020  5:52 pm  Show Profile   Check tropicalbats's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add tropicalbats to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It also occurs to me that looking at the label, the "peeling lamination" is in a larger font, and listed before, a major doubled die obverse. The lamination is so insignificant compared to the variety yet in a larger font and listed on top. My submission form certainly did not note the trivial lamination, but did include DDO-001, FS-101 neither of which are on the label.
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 Posted 01/19/2020  5:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice TB. At the very least, let PCGS know you/we are not happy. If enough customers complain it might make a difference.
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 Posted 01/19/2020  6:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jim0815 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That is a crying shame. A really great cent that deserves an attribution other than no holder it without a grade.
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 Posted 01/19/2020  10:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Petespockets55 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That is odd since the mint produced it with the lamination and is not PSD.

Are they saying that because the lamination is peeling it is PSD? And if the lamination was intact it would grade? I thought they put "Details" grades in that case.
It seems really odd they handled it they way.
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