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Looking For Coins From Brescia/Lombardy Circa 1600

 
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 Posted 01/19/2020  6:58 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add carleroo to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I am looking to purchase a coin from the area of Brescia or Lombardy in Italy circa late 1500s or early 1600s. The reason for this particular search is that I collect antique guns and as part of my collection I like to display coins from the time period. Foe example I have an English flintlock pistol from 1710, so with it I display an English coin from the Queen Ann's reign. And so it goes...George II, George III, etc. I recently purchased a wheel-lock pistol made in Brescia around 1590-1600. So I am looking for coin from the general location and time frame. I checked eBay and a number of dealers I could find online, but nothing seems to make a match. Does anyone have any ideas of where I could be looking? Ideally I would like to buy an original from the area, but if that's not possible, maybe from one of the other Italian states from the time period. Any thoughts?
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 Posted 01/19/2020  8:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Pertinax to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't think Brescia issued coins as late as 1500 - a century earlier, they did.

From 1520, Brescia was under the rule of Venice so you might consider a Venetian coin.

Alternatively, you might consider a coin of Milan.

We don't see many medieval Italian coins, so whatever you acquire, please post a picture and description here.
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 Posted 01/19/2020  8:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Pertinax to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Incidentally, you'll probably need to spend at least 130 C$ for a coin with readable legends.
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 Posted 01/19/2020  9:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add carleroo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Many thanks. This is very useful advice. I will look out for a possible coin and will report back, Thanks again.
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 Posted 01/21/2020  12:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add txabs to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
On those years the 'Ducato di Milano' was under Spanish domination.

You are looking for coins under regins of:
- Philip II (Filippo II or Felipe II) - 1556-1598
- Philip III - 1598-1621
- Philip IV - 1621-1665

If you want a silver coin, you can try a crown like an 'Scudo d'argento', a 'Ducatone' or even a 'Filippo'. They are not cheap, but a common one will cost about 400 or 500€ on good condition

https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=6536217
https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=6536225

Also a 'mezzo scudo' or a 'mezzo ducatone' (half crown), they are more affordable.

If you prefer a gold coin, you can try a 'Doppia', those are between 600€ and 1000€

https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=6592098

Copper coins was called 'soldi'

If you need any extra information, I could help, I like those coins

Regards!


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 Posted 01/21/2020  12:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add txabs to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
And as @Pertinax ask, i'll show you an example from my collection. This one is a silver 'Ducatone':




Year: 1630
Ruler: Philip IV
Mint: Milano
Weight: 31.61g
Diameter: About 41mm
On observe: PHILIPPVS·IIII·REX·HISPAN (Philip IV hispanic king)
On reverse: MEDIOLANI·DVX·ETC (Duke of Mediolani, etc)

Mediolani was the name of Milano under Roman Empire domination. Etc was used because Hispanic kings had a long list of titles, so they used etcetera.
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 Posted 01/21/2020  2:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Beautiful ducatone, and a very helpful summary!

Maybe you can share photos of some more of your coins from this place and era on the next round of "How Far Back..." http://goccf.com/t/364499
(Here is the earlier "edition" which just ended http://goccf.com/t/322163)

We will reach the 17th century in December 2020.
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01/21/2020 2:34 pm
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 Posted 01/21/2020  3:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add carleroo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Many thanks for these leads. I'm learning a lot as I go along.
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Count on it @tdziemia, but I'm not sure if I will remember on december xD.
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 Posted 01/27/2020  3:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add carleroo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for all the advice about coins that would cover Brescia around 1600. I checked out the Spanish coins and a few others (Venice), but the good ones were more than I was hoping to spend. So in the end I bought a German coin. Most of the early firearms made in Brescia were actually purchased for use further north - The Holy Roman Empire (many were used in the 30 Years' war), the Low Countries and some made their way to England where they saw active use in the English Civil War. So, I decided on a German Coin...

https://www.ebay.ca/itm/GERMAN-STAT....m2749.l2649
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Thanks for all the advice about coins that would cover Brescia around 1600. I checked out the Spanish coins and a few others (Venice), but the good ones were more than I was hoping to spend. Most of the early firearms made in Brescia were actually purchased for use further north - The Holy Roman Empire (many were used in the 30 Years' War), the Low Countries and some made their way to England where they saw active use in the English Civil War. So, I decided on a German coin since it would have been quite possible that this could have been where the pistol actually ended up.

GERMAN STATES 6 MARIENGROSCHEN 1689 BRAUNSCHWEIG WOLFENBUTTEL #t51 371

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