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Unlisted 1888 5 Pesetas (Pgm) Assayer Mark

 
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 Posted 07/08/2020  02:13 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add News09 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Is this variety, or error? The weight is 24.8g and the edger and rim were correct.
What will be the price estimate



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 Posted 07/08/2020  06:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
to CCF.
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 Posted 07/08/2020  06:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Are you able to read the date in the star?
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 Posted 07/08/2020  07:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add News09 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The star struck on 88 also
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 Posted 07/08/2020  08:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gincoin43 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The only reason I can think of is it's counterfeit and they used the wrong die pairs.
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 Posted 07/08/2020  7:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nelson9225 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
5 Pesetas - Alfonso XIII 1st portrait
found this on e Numista they sell for around $13
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5 Pesetas - Alfonso XIII 1st portrait
found this on e Numista they sell for around $13

With a pg m assayer on a 1888?
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 Posted 07/08/2020  9:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I do not like how the date looks ... The examples I can find on Coin Archives, the 8s are equally spaced and uniform.

Maybe someone with more experience on this type will comment.

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 Posted 07/11/2020  06:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add andyg to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Lots of contemporary counterfeits of these - with erroneous initials on.
More here;
https://elhistoricon.blogspot.com/2...illanos.html
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What you have bought is a Contemporary Silver Counterfeit. You see by 1893 the world price of silver had fallen to about 30 cents an ounce versus $1 or more per ounce which had been the average price for over 100 years. The cause was the discovery of the massive silver deposits in Nevada (referred to collectively as the Comstock lode).

In Spain as well as the US, Mexico and other locations silver coins became tokens worth only a small fraction of their face value. This caused the counterfeiters of the era to drag out their presses to produce coins with the correct amount of silver present. This meant that most people including banks would simply accept them as silver and not question authenticity. The problem in Spain by the later 1890's had become so common that the government attempted a face value redemption in an attempt to get everyone to turn in the fakes. Millions were redeemed but millions remained. Some people refer to them as "made for Seville" pieces.

If you paid $13, you got a bargain. I pay between $25 and $30 for similar coins.

They are like the micro-O Morgan dollars or the made for China silver counterfeits of the Portrait dollars. At one time they were basically general knowledge but over the years they were all forgotten.

If you ever want to sell it let me know.
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