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1967 Centennial $1 Face Origins

 
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 Posted 07/23/2020  12:01 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add DBM to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Charlton would have you believe that the face of the centennial dollar is essentially the same as the 1954 $1 issue with the addition of the symbol and the references to the centennial top and bottom.
Only half true.
The green plate is a 1954 $1 plate with the addition of the symbol.
The black plate is a modified 1954 $2 plate, check out the lathework and other engraved black portions.
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 Posted 07/23/2020  4:45 pm  Show Profile   Check walk2dwater's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add walk2dwater to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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The green plate is a 1954 $1 plate with the addition of the symbol.
The black plate is a modified 1954 $2 plate, check out the lathework and other engraved black portions.


-Interesting. Where did you find this info? I've just re-examined a couple of examples from that era & I suspect both front & back plates come from a different plate design (because the "ONE" & "UN" are on the OPPOSITE vertical sides).
Here's the front of a 1954 modified note:

-Now here's the front of a 1967 *N/O:


Now here's the back of the Modified 1954 One:

And here's the back of the 1967 Confederation One:

Can definitely see different lathe work on the borders (which seems most dramatic around the numeral Markers "1")
Here's the back of a Modified TWO:

and here's the back of a Modified FIVE:

(I find the lathe work on the Five border to appear closest to the Commemorative 1867-1967 One).
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@walk2dwater
I'm only referring to the face of the note.
The back of the centennial note is unique not a modification of another engraving.
The black plate of the face of the centennial note is a modification of the 1954 modified $2 plate.
Compare the lathework and portrait details.
I first noticed this a couple of years ago when I bid on a lot that included 1954 $2 and 1967 $1 notes.
It just kinda jumped out at me.
I'm kinda surprised that I've never seen it mentioned elsewhere.
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Compare the lathework on the following three notes.
Does the centennial note look like it was derived from the modified $1 or $2?


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DBM I can't help you on your question but I find in interesting, hope someone can shed some more light on it.
I noticed looking at your notes I can't see a front plate number on the E/M note, may just be the picture but I thought they were supposed to have one.
Take a look at the plate number on the two also it looks like 00 if so that's a new one on me I have some plate 1 never seen 00 before, again may be just the picture.

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The face plate number on the E/M is very faint, at 60X with intense light all I can tell is that it ends in 0.
The face plate number of the $2 is 100, it shows up well on my original scan but was lost when I reduced it to 300Kb to post here.
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