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Ottoman 1/2 Cedid Mahmudiye ?!

 
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 Posted 08/15/2020  05:36 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add chronos to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hello,
I found this coin in my collection and after searchin on the internet I found a similar coin on the internet https://www.NGCcoin.com/price-guide...duid-1549830
My coin weight the same 0.8g and 20mm aprox but the composition isn't gold Ive tested it .
Could it be a specimen or a different version or a forgery?

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08/15/2020 3:45 pm
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 Posted 08/15/2020  08:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gincoin43 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think the diameter of the gold coin would be 15 mm. Plus I don't think the denomination is written anywhere on these coins, so I would guess it is a smaller denomination from that same mint.
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 Posted 08/15/2020  11:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I vote for forgery (maybe meant to be gold plated?).

For silver (billon) coins during the 9th/10thstandard under Mahmud, at 20-21 mm I see the much heavier 20 para coin KM-596 (1.35-1.6 g.). Or, 0.8 g would more closely match a 10 para coin, KM-595, which should be only 17 mm. And both of these have quite a different design (wreath below toughra, not flowers around it, etc.).

But it looks like quite a well made coin.




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 Posted 08/15/2020  3:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chronos to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hello, Ive made a mistake it is the same size as a 10 euro cent so about 20mm.
But what is the purpose to make a good fake copy of a small coin ?
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08/15/2020 3:51 pm
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 Posted 08/16/2020  07:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gincoin43 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Maybe @Kushanshah will have an opinion.
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 Posted 08/16/2020  1:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
While we are waiting for @kushanshah ...
As best I can tell (from my old Craig catalog), we have these dimensions for the series of gold coins issued in the regnal years 26-32:
1/4 Cedid = 13 mm, 0.38-0.4 g (C.239, KM643)
1/2 Cedid = 15 mm, 0.7-0.8 g. (C.240, KM644)
Cedid = 20 mm, 1.56-1.6 g. (C.241, KM645)

The Numista photo for the 1/4 Cedid is better than the one in the NGC link, and allows us to see that your coin looks very close to this one. https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces34889.html
So, you have a coin with the dimensions of a 1 Cedid (20 mm), but a weight which is too low by 50%, which is what would happen if a coin were made with the same diameter and thickness, but using silver instead of gold.

While the design elements are the same, it looks like the execution of the design in the Numista photo is much finer, i.e. your coin has thicker font for the inscriptions and toughra.
Since I have not been able to find any silver issue with this design, my guess is that this item was a forgery which at one time was gold plated to resemble a 1 Cedid coin.

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08/16/2020 1:08 pm
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Nice work
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 Posted 08/18/2020  4:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chronos to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you very much @tdziemia !!
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