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You Vs. PCGS: 1942 Tombac 5c

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 Posted 10/06/2020  11:21 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add TVC to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Let's see how close you come to what PCGS has graded this coin. I'll post the actual result later on!


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 Posted 10/07/2020  04:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
to CCF. MS-66?
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 Posted 10/07/2020  07:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Silver101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
MS-65.... though I confess I cheated and MS-65 is the highest they have ini their POP report....
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 Posted 10/07/2020  09:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'll say MS-65.



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 Posted 10/07/2020  09:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have a '42 Tombac Beaver in my collection.
But not as nice as this one.
As an Aussie collector of Canadian coins Tombac beavers are very difficult to find.

MS-65, and attractively toned.
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 Posted 10/07/2020  09:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add johnnysprawl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Unc details (cleaned)
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 Posted 10/07/2020  10:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add doubleeagle59 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
SP-66 ?
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 Posted 10/07/2020  6:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TVC to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you everyone for your guesses! The actual result is MS-64. In my opinion, PCGS really missed the mark here. This was previously in an ICCS MS-66 holder, which I completely agree with. According to the previous owner, he was told by Brian Cornwell himself that this is one of the nicest 1942 tombac nickels he has seen.

The weird colouring on this coin is due to a layer of mint lacquer. In fact, this coin looks very similar to a specimen issue, most notably the Belzberg/Mossman example in SP-66 that sold last year through Heritage.
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 Posted 10/07/2020  6:23 pm  Show Profile   Check Pacificoin's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Pacificoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Never heard of a 1942 Canada Mint set?
Research and documentation appreciated .
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 Posted 10/07/2020  6:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TVC to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Pacificoin: Thank you for catching my very likely error, I edited my previous reply accordingly.
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 Posted 10/07/2020  6:36 pm  Show Profile   Check silverwolf's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add silverwolf to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
just asking, if you had a ms-66 grade, why did you choose to submit to PCGS?
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 Posted 10/07/2020  8:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TVC to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you for your question silverwolf! I began building a registry-quality type set last year, so I decided to move some of my ICCS-graded coins over to PCGS. As many of us have likely seen, many of the highest-quality coins have been slowly making their way over to PCGS. My other big reason for doing so was security; I prefer a hard slab over a flip to protect the coin. And as you can see from the result, grading is quite subjective! I'm considering a reconsideration from PCGS, but either way I know that this coin is extremely nice, and won't be leaving my collection anytime soon.
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 Posted 10/07/2020  8:20 pm  Show Profile   Check silverwolf's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add silverwolf to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
did you cut it out and resubmit, or did you send it in the original holder,, I would think if the later, you would only ask for it , if it graded equal..
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 Posted 10/08/2020  5:15 pm  Show Profile   Check SPP-Ottawa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add SPP-Ottawa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The issue you are seeing here is the result of two different grading styles. I wrestle with this exact same issue with business strike nickel dollars from the early years.

ICCS grades and puts the most grading weight on the coin surfaces, particularly the fields. They often ignore the quality of the strike and the eye-appeal.

PCGS puts less weight on the fields and more weight on contact marks on the devices. In this case, the grading of the devices includes the strike. Weaker strikes are often penalized quite harshly by PCGS (e.g., try getting a 1971 nickel dollar in a MS-65 grade).Sometimes, eye-appeal can help negate that penalty, but in this case, the butt of the beaver and King's hair speak of a weaker strike, and the toning does not lend itself to the "eye-appeal" bonus.
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 Posted 10/09/2020  05:46 am  Show Profile   Check thedollarman's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add thedollarman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I sent this coin in on behalf of the OP and I can attest to the coin's quality..my grade opinion was MS66/67. Much like the 1943 specimen duo I posted, this coin originated as part of a pair purchased for the war effort... although I am perplexed as to why the mint was selling circulation strikes instead of specimens in this specific instance. It has an equally nice sister coin and is lacquered, and was found in an estate along with a specimen 1943 pair. An absolute monster of a coin, even the trueviews do not do it justice!
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 Posted 10/09/2020  9:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add doubleeagle59 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The person responsible for starting the Registry set was a pure money making genius.

Sorry for the downer opinion, but I think it's a waste of time and especially money.
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