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1914 Barber Half Dollar - Counterfeit With Doubled Die

 
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 Posted 11/26/2020  7:58 pm Show Profile   Check tropicalbats's eBay Listings Bookmark this topic Add tropicalbats to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
This is a fairly bad counterfeit but in-hand feels like it was circulated for some time. The base metal is a little stronger than some counterfeits but still only comes in at 10.87g.

The fun part of this one is the strong doubling on HALF.

1914 Barber half dollar - counterfeit with doubling




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 Posted 11/26/2020  8:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Interesting and educational as always. Do you active collect these?
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 Posted 11/26/2020  8:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Numiscrat to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Was the core of this made by what I have heard called "sand casting," starting with a circulated coin?
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 Posted 11/26/2020  8:55 pm  Show Profile   Check tropicalbats's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add tropicalbats to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am unsure of exactly how this one was made, but your idea sounds right. There is a base coin underneath with a coating that appears casted on the top. On the obverse you can see a lot of places where the coating is coming off.

And yes, I quite actively collect counterfeits. Here is part of what I am going through right now figuring out what's what. All have been identified as counterfeit by someone (usually dealers) and I go through and work them out and put them in my collection.

I'll likely post some of these as I get to them if they're interesting or educational.
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 Posted 11/26/2020  9:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Numiscrat to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Are you acquiring many different types of circulating counterfeits, or is mostly counterfeits of collectible coins?

In my short time back in coin collecting, I have not seen much of the former.

These posts of yours are usually on my must read list.
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 Posted 11/26/2020  11:32 pm  Show Profile   Check tropicalbats's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add tropicalbats to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's both. Above is a pretty strong selection of mostly circulating counterfeits, but I buy in lots from dealers and end up with all kinds of stuff from junk marked "COPY" to really high end stuff. Some of it takes me a good while to figure out why it got flagged as bad, like this 1878 that a dealer gave me a little while ago. It's in a home slab and I haven't weighed it or anything yet, but looks good to eye with nice cartwheel luster. I do not yet know why he flagged it, but I will figure it out.

But this is why I generally have a bunch of them sitting around, as they can take me a long time to figure out at times what the deal is. I learn more every time I have another crack at the counterfeit bin.


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 Posted 11/27/2020  12:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Numiscrat to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Unless the glare has me thrown off, aren't the design lines awfully weak for a Morgan? Lines are almost missing from the nose down to the neck. She is having a bad hair day, too! Kind of matted together looking—missing some sharp lines. In fact, it looks like somebody took clippers to the area behind the ear, like my haircut instead of Ms. Anna Williams' hairdo. Rims and denticles look sloppier than what I am used to seeing.

Don't accuse me of spoiling the mystery for you. I don't know enough for you to take my word for any of the above!

Curious about the manufacturing method on that one, too.
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I agree with much of your assessment, especially the lack of sharpness in the details. But I am not well-versed in all the VAMs, and I believe some of those are exactly things like missing detail around the lips or nose. Pretty much everything turns out to be counterfeit as dealers are sharp, and I don't want real coins as not what I'm collecting, but I want to know the why and try to research all the coins as best as I can. Remember, I'm a Lincoln specialist, so pretty much don't know what many of these fakes are supposed to look like in the first place, so I start at point zero for many of them and learn my way around.
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 Posted 11/30/2020  4:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Great pile of fakes for a fake collection.
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 Posted 11/30/2020  8:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add psuman08 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The thickness/font of EPU seems off on the dollar.
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 Posted 11/30/2020  8:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
i find these images of counterfeits more interesting than most pics of the real thing.
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