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Thaler Thursday: 1848 Prussian Thaler Counterstamp A B Fraley / Marshall / Texas / 1873

 
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 Posted 03/11/2021  4:46 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add CCFPress to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
1848 Prussian Thaler, A.B. FRALEY / MARSHALL. / TEXAS. / 1873. VF Host; XF Counterstamp. Brunk F-420, Rulau Tx-Ms 1 Three curved line punches plus individual numeral punches. Unique. Unusual large, silver host coin. The counterstamp was skillfully done.



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 Posted 03/11/2021  9:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NumisEd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A coin from Prussia made it all the way to Texas in the 19th Century? That coin must have some tale to tell...
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 Posted 03/17/2021  12:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add retiredkper to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Has anyone tried looking up the name?
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Has anyone tried looking up the name?
I was hoping ExoGuy would show up with the backstory.
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Thanks, jbuck, for drawing my attention to this thread. I'll see what I can find.

A great many c/s's are unique, and I suspect that this one is, too. The stamping appears to have been done with individual letter punches; this, as opposed to a prepared die. A problem exists for c/s collectors in that unique pieces like this can be fabricated. Brunk cited a number of Texas fantasy counterstamps in his book. That said, I tend to believe this c/s is contemporary.

Meanwhile, I will say that it was quite common for immigrants to bring coins from the old country to the new. I'm not surprised by this host coin, as many Germans emigrated to Texas in the 1800's. They typically settled among countrymen, forming social social groups that shared activities like singing and shooting clubs for example.

P.S. .... I see that this piece realized over $1,400 I the recent Heritage.
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Thanks, jbuck, for drawing my attention to this thread. I'll see what I can find.
No problem and thank you!
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Sorry to report that I'm unable to attribute this c/s or even suggest a likely candidate. There were a few prominent men, named Fraley, living in Marshall in the 1870-80's, but they didn't have a first name that began with the letter "A". One of them was Wm. B. Fraley, and A.B. Fraley (same middle initial) may have been a relative, perhaps? I checked out local gravesites and searched Texas newspapers but to no avail.

My guess is that the buyer/bidders either had a personal interest or else found some historical info that I'm presently unable to uncover. I'm hard-pressed to suspect that the bids climbled so high on pure whimsy; this, unless the coin, itself, is some rare variety.
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 Posted 03/19/2021  11:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
We cannot win them all, but thank you for the update.
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