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Mule Or Fake ? Sovereign 1919

 
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 Posted 09/22/2021  4:50 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Luckycoin91 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
hi I've found this sovereign, I will ask if it could be a mule or only a fake sovereign. the date is 1919 but the obverse is queen elizabeth and not george V king
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 Posted 09/22/2021  5:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JimmyD to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
To the CCF

It is a fake. It should have King George V on the Obverse
and that is Queen Victoria, not Queen Elizabeth.
Next please increase the size of your photos. Those are
so small it is hard to make anything out.
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 Posted 09/22/2021  5:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JohnConduitt to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You wouldn't have a mule that many years apart - Victoria died in 1901. It's such an obvious mistake I would guess it was done on purpose, so no-one would try to sell it as a genuine coin.
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Better photo
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 Posted 09/22/2021  6:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add David Graham to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would also hazard a guess that it's light in hand as I doubt it would be gold.
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It's surely gold the weight is correct
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 Posted 09/22/2021  7:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There were a lot of fake sovereigns made good quality gold, of around 20 carats fine or thereabouts.
Nevertheless, without any doubt, this coin which may well be of good quality gold, is a fake.

It was due to the large production of coins such as this one, that
the British Royal Mint decided to flood the market with genuine sovereigns, all dated 1925, to protect the good reputation of the sovereign and to suppress this sort of fake issue.
More than 3.5 million genuine sovereigns all dated 1925 were minted to suppress the manufacture of low grade gold fake sovereigns.
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 Posted 09/22/2021  7:36 pm  Show Profile   Check silverwolf's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add silverwolf to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
have someone xrf it. then let us know what it is..How much did you pay for it?
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 Posted 09/22/2021  7:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Comical fake, gold content aside. But I's be curious what something like this is worth.
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 Posted 09/22/2021  8:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Numis-Northerner to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Fake or not, if it's gold, then I'd say it's pretty cool. What did The Royal Mint do with the left over obverse dies after Vickie passed? Any chance one was left over and this is a back door job?
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 Posted 09/22/2021  9:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Oldfordman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think it is one of those purposely made bullion round sovereigns.
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 Posted 09/24/2021  06:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mr T to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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What did The Royal Mint do with the left over obverse dies after Vickie passed? Any chance one was left over and this is a back door job?


Unlikely to be deliberate mule. Most working dies would have been destroyed, most master dies would have been retained though I'd guess.
I have a copy of Hocking somewhere which would probably confirm that.
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 Posted 09/24/2021  11:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
In 50 years of being familiar with Aussie sovereigns, I have never heard of a Vikkie mule with a date not in her reign period.

A bit like a Trade dollar with an impossible date - both would be fakes.
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