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1788 8 Escudos Chile Santiago Mint #1 And #2 - US Legal Tender Until 1857

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I acquired this pair of coins because they were an important part of U.S. history. The Spanish milled dollar or 8 reales coin was effectively the reserve currency of the world at the time and that applied to all other denominations of Spanish coinage. Until 1857, Spanish gold and silver coins were legal tender in the U.S. I thought I would keep the two coins together in the same thread as it would probably be easier to compare the relative state of preservation of the two coins. U.S. gold coinage did not start until 1795.

Smaller silver Spanish coinage circulated widely in the colonies and the United States alongside other foreign coins as locally produced coinage was scarce. But the 8 Escudos coins, which were exchangeable for 16 Spanish milled dollars for a long time did not circulate in commerce. Rather they were used much like the Double Eagles were, not to buy everyday things, but primarily to sit in bank vaults and serve as reserves backing paper currency and notes issued, which were more practical to carry around and exchange. Below is an image of posted exchange rates in North America for foreign coinage published by Michener.
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NGC says that this particular type issued during the reign of King Carlos III (Latin Carolus or Carol for short - Pictured Below) in 1788 at the tail end of his reign (1759-1788) had a mintage of 42,000 coins in far away Santiago, Chile. This belies the many gold and silver discoveries int he New World and why these distant colonies were so valuable to European sovereigns. These were struck after the American Revolutionary War and prior to the establishment of the U.S. Mint. This coin would have been used as money all over the world, but primarily in the colonial trade in the New World.

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Do the engraved portraits of Carlos III in the coins reflect the painted portraits of his image?

Coin #1
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Coin #2
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Very nice examples! Imagine going to the market to buy some groceries with foreign coins. It is facinating history and is just an example that the gold itself is the money, and not the form it takes.
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The history is pretty interesting. It was during a period when Spain was in decline since the defeat of the Spanish Armada in 1588 and Britain was ascendant. During the Seven Years War, the first conflict that Carlos III fought as king, Spain lost Havana, Manila, Honduras, Menorca and Gibraltar to the British. When the American Revolution broke out, Spain joined France to aid the Colonies in defeating the British in order to curb British expansionism and George III's ambitions. Lafayette and the French get all the credit, but Carlos III was also pivotal in the U.S. Colonies prevailing against the leading power in the world at the time.
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Very nice piece of history! I really enjoy getting to see and read these little synopsis on here!
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Excellent informative post @NS and beautiful example!
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Nice read, great coins Thanks for sharing
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The first coin, the 1788 8 Escudos coin is the highest graded by PCGS. There is however one graded higher at NGC at MS63. This coin was in the famed Ambassador Norweb collection as indicated in the old green label PCGS holder.

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The second coin, I thought had better luster in the obverse and I think grades higher. Perhaps a nod to the provenance of the Norweb coin. Of this date and Mint, there are 32 coins graded at NGC with 3 graded MS62 and 1 graded MS63.

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